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Ari Bolden
10-31-2007, 04:01 PM
Hey Guys:
Just wanted to wish you (and your families) a happy halloween.
We're having a Submissions 101 Party.....could get crazy!
peace!
Ari
Hey Guys:
Just wanted to wish you (and your families) a happy halloween.
We're having a Submissions 101 Party.....could get crazy!
peace!
Ari
We expect to see pics!
Ghosted3
11-01-2007, 04:46 AM
And vids...
DFRASE
11-01-2007, 12:29 PM
my night ended this morning at 11 when i got out of a cab in front of ari's place with fake blood covering my face and shirt, no socks or shoes.....and then changed my clothes in the middle of the street out of the trunk of my car....all the while trying to keep the greasy breakfast down that I so wisely ate on the way to pick up my car. damn....what a great party
i'm gonna go back to sleep now
Ghosted3
11-01-2007, 04:23 PM
We need PIX!
Tom Gavrilos
11-02-2007, 07:42 PM
My night ended up explaining to police that I used a guillotine choke in self defense which rendered some punk kid who attacked me unconscious.
the kid tried attacking me again while the cop was taking my statement. :p
that was all the cop needed to see. Good times!
Happy Halloween to everyone!
Wow! If he hadn't done that do you think you would have gotten in trouble?
Hadaka Jime
11-03-2007, 08:22 AM
My night ended up explaining to police that I used a guillotine choke in self defense which rendered some punk kid who attacked me unconscious.
the kid tried attacking me again while the cop was taking my statement. :p
that was all the cop needed to see. Good times!
Happy Halloween to everyone!priceless:)
Tom Gavrilos
11-03-2007, 08:07 PM
I was bouncing so I think I would have been fine either way.
Kid was like 5'2 120lbs I couldnt believe my eyes. First I thought wow this kid must know something I dont...BUT he was just a drunken idiot!:p
Tom- you seem very chill.... I think your rather cool.... why do you get in so many altercations?:D
Tom Gavrilos
11-03-2007, 08:42 PM
I am not a violent person my any stretch. But I will be the first one to speak up if I feel like someone is picking on another person or for what I believe is right.
This one I didnt even see coming. I told the kid he couldnt stand by the gate because people pass things over so to stay 15 feet back instantly "Im gonna knock you out bitch" "why dont you go spike your hair some more"
etc... I just was amused and smiling. Then he tried what looked like a flying head but to my stomach...held a standing guillotine but he wouldn't let up..I loosened it and he swung blindly hitting nothing & swearing loudly so I tightened it up again and he went limp. I let go and he was sleeping. He twitched a bit and then woke up in time for the police to speak with.
As I explaining the details to the cop I couldn't help but laugh at the situation so the kid came after me and got gang tackled by cops.
The bar is crazy sometimes I guess with ASU having 60,000 students and all.. Ari is even cooler than I am and Im sure he has to whoop @ss from time to time:cool:
lol. Sounds like the kid was a real douche. Just out of curiousity, Ari or Tom, do people know who you are and your experience or do they think of you guys as just regular bouncers?
I remember a story Tom was telling once about going to Vegas and seeing THE Frank Mir bouncing a bar. I would like to go to his bar just to see a drunk go up to him and start something without knowing who he is.
I have also heard GSP was a bouncer in Canada.... he is someone I could see having to defend himself regularly by guys twice his size.
Tom Gavrilos
11-03-2007, 08:59 PM
lol. Sounds like the kid was a real douche. Just out of curiousity, Ari or Tom, do people know who you are and your experience or do they think of you guys as just regular bouncers?
I remember a story Tom was telling once about going to Vegas and seeing THE Frank Mir bouncing a bar. I would like to go to his bar just to see a drunk go up to him and start something without knowing who he is.
I have also heard GSP was a bouncer in Canada.... he is someone I could see having to defend himself regularly by guys twice his size.
Thats a good question. Anywhere but my bar (many people know I train at the bar Im at) and from a few people here and there who recognize me from myspace no one has any clue. I have built somewhat of a reputation at my bar since have been in the middle or at the end of so many fights.
I feel pretty safe at my bar mmyself and 2 other trained Pro MMA fighters are in charge of the main area along side me. The 3 of us handle over 800 people.
That being said I also have no clue. There are pro fighters who come into my bar and I dont recognize some of them but it dosent matter because I treat everyone with respect. The goal is to break up or prevent fights not start them.
Today with the expansion of MMA its natural to assume many bouncers know something about submissions/fighting.
As for me and where I receive my confidence:
I SWEAR BY BJJ because even the people who train just a little or and just watch UFC do not truly understand what it is to be in trouble on the ground. ANd they dont understand that without teh limitations of rules that it is exponentionaly more dangerous.
They just see G & P and assume submissions are easy to avoid etc... Its really the opposite for these people. People who try to hit you on the ground leave the biggest openings to get caught.
Overall I would bounce on the weekends for free! I meet alot of people and get to legaly work over everything from crackheads to molesters to just plain douchebags <--those are the best!
One thing to note. The ones who know how to truly fight almost never have cause a problem. They are quiet and I worry more about quiet/confident people. Loud people who flex and yell are often very insecure and they are the ones who are more likely to start altercations...
just my .02 cents
Ari Bolden
11-03-2007, 09:15 PM
[QUOTE=Ryan;3899]lol. Sounds like the kid was a real douche. Just out of curiosity, Ari or Tom, do people know who you are and your experience or do they think of you guys as just regular bouncers?QUOTE]
Tom pretty well summed it up. I treat everyone the same, no exceptions. treat others like you like to be treated. I even give leeway to drunken assholes. Having said that, disrespectful, violent or abusive behavior will incur a full counter measure on my part.
Do people know who I am? Mostly no (there are exceptions to that of course) Most people who come to my nightclub are regular folks or students who are out for a good time. Most label me as "that guy whose been bouncing since I started going to the clubs (plus many more years on that.).
People make assumptions all the time about bouncers. Some right, some wrong. I don't think I've ever been over estimated by someone who wanted to fight. They all underestimate and that is a HUGE HUGE mistake in anyone's fight plan. I never do it. EVER. I always expect the guy to be an animal thus I am already on triple high alert.
Besides, I never advertise that I am jiu jitsu guy. People ask...I just deflect the question or just smile.
Alcohol makes people's brain shut off. But if you think about it, you'd have to be crazy and want to mix it up with someone who is more than an enthusiast (watch UFC or train once and a while).
There is a marked difference in skill level. There is also the fact that I can rely on 12 years of nightclub bouncing to my fighting game plan. That equals over 10 000 hours standing at the door, hundreds of fights and encounters and witness to 1000's of fights. You do the stinking math!!!!
Okay..rant over ;)
Thats a good question. Anywhere but my bar (many people know I train at the bar Im at) and from a few people here and there who recognize me from myspace no one has any clue. I have built somewhat of a reputation at my bar since have been in the middle or at the end of so many fights.
I feel pretty safe at my bar mmyself and 2 other trained Pro MMA fighters are in charge of the main area along side me. The 3 of us handle over 800 people.
That being said I also have no clue. There are pro fighters who come into my bar and I dont recognize some of them but it dosent matter because I treat everyone with respect. The goal is to break up or prevent fights not start them.
Today with the expansion of MMA its natural to assume many bouncers know something about submissions/fighting.
As for me and where I receive my confidence:
I SWEAR BY BJJ because even the people who train just a little or and just watch UFC do not truly understand what it is to be in trouble on the ground. ANd they dont understand that without teh limitations of rules that it is exponentionaly more dangerous.
They just see G & P and assume submissions are easy to avoid etc... Its really the opposite for these people. People who try to hit you on the ground leave the biggest openings to get caught.
Overall I would bounce on the weekends for free! I meet alot of people and get to legaly work over everything from crackheads to molesters to just plain douchebags <--those are the best!
One thing to note. The ones who know how to truly fight almost never have cause a problem. They are quiet and I worry more about quiet/confident people. Loud people who flex and yell are often very insecure and they are the ones who are more likely to start altercations...
just my .02 cents
You bring up some excellent points. There was a kid in my high school who kept to himself and just generally accepted being constantly picked on. He just took it all. He was on the wrestling team but never went anywhere with it and was pretty much just on the team with 0 emotion. Anyway, a couple years ago he just snapped and killed his little child because she wouldn't quit crying. The quiet ones I think are the ones who are trying to hold back because they know what they are capable of and it usually isn't pretty.
Have you encountered some true nuts? How do you know what type you encounter? (you said work over molesters) I just think your job is pretty fascinating.... I guess it would just be hard to figure out who to defend and who not to when they are in a scuffle.
[QUOTE=Ryan;3899]lol. Sounds like the kid was a real douche. Just out of curiosity, Ari or Tom, do people know who you are and your experience or do they think of you guys as just regular bouncers?QUOTE]
Tom pretty well summed it up. I treat everyone the same, no exceptions. treat others like you like to be treated. I even give leeway to drunken assholes. Having said that, disrespectful, violent or abusive behavior will incur a full counter measure on my part.
Do people know who I am? Mostly no (there are exceptions to that of course) Most people who come to my nightclub are regular folks or students who are out for a good time. Most label me as "that guy whose been bouncing since I started going to the clubs (plus many more years on that.).
People make assumptions all the time about bouncers. Some right, some wrong. I don't think I've ever been over estimated by someone who wanted to fight. They all underestimate and that is a HUGE HUGE mistake in anyone's fight plan. I never do it. EVER. I always expect the guy to be an animal thus I am already on triple high alert.
Besides, I never advertise that I am jiu jitsu guy. People ask...I just deflect the question or just smile.
Alcohol makes people's brain shut off. But if you think about it, you'd have to be crazy and want to mix it up with someone who is more than an enthusiast (watch UFC or train once and a while).
There is a marked difference in skill level. There is also the fact that I can rely on 12 years of nightclub bouncing to my fighting game plan. That equals over 10 000 hours standing at the door, hundreds of fights and encounters and witness to 1000's of fights. You do the stinking math!!!!
Okay..rant over ;)
lol.... thanks for the assignment sensei! Honestly, I can't figure out why your job isn't on the top 10 list of "Most Dangerous"
Ari Bolden
11-03-2007, 09:32 PM
Who know Ryan..who knows...
Off to work and I'll add another 5 hours to my tally....:)
peace
Oh Ryan, if you want to read a good book on bouncer stories you might want to check out the link below. It was a collection of stories from boucners around the world telling their tales (I got to write the forward to this book and add about 5 of my stories too).
http://www.amazon.com/Bouncers-Their-Lives-Own-Words/dp/1903854210
Real quick....... worst fight you ever saw or had to break up
Ari Bolden
11-03-2007, 09:41 PM
Let me think about that one....off to work.
SirRamIII
11-04-2007, 01:20 AM
wow, i didn't know forums were used as instant messaging systems now, guess I just a little behind times, my age is starting to show:D
michaelwbray
11-04-2007, 02:11 AM
Do you guys find that the demographics are changing in general with people that go to pubs? I run a very busy bar, open 24 hours a day, in Sydney. Of course in a busy irish pub, you are going to have fights. We always have large security guards on.
The demographic change I am seeing is that young people now a days seem to always be turning up to the place on drugs. Ice (Crystal Meth) seems to be the one getting more common. The difference is, when these people get into fights they
a) Just snap. No warning. Playing pool, or just chatting, then next thing you know they are right at it.
b) Much more violent. Instead of just pushing and throwing shitty little punches, they are using glass bottles, putting pool balls into socks to create a very deadly weapon, stabbing people with any object they can find such as pens etc.
I am very hard on my managers, saying that they should be able to spot fights before they happen, and that fights shouldn't get out of hand. I started doing a lot more hours at night due to problems like this, and I have to say they are right. It's hard to see that people are on drugs, and they just snap out of no where.
Curious to see if the same in the places you guys work.
Hadaka Jime
11-04-2007, 08:57 AM
Real quick....... worst fight you ever saw or had to break upi've seen many fights... im not a bouncer but i've been in bad areas and seen a lot of ghettoish sober fights were the people conciously knew what they were doing... i've seen 1 shooting, a few fights with knives but by far the nastiest fight ive ever seen was 2 girls
1 had a bike chain and a butchers knife and the other girl had a broken glass bottle and a broken pool stick, it was very violent and 1 of the girls died and the other was severley injured and was arrested when the cops showed up... the girl who died stabbed the (now arrested girl) in her thigh with the pool stick... deep like 3 inch deep and yanked it back out and hit her across the face with it..... the girl with the bike chain swung and hit the girl with the stick in the temple/eye are knocking her senseless a littel then she was kicked in the head (while on her hands and knees) falling over was beaten with the chain for about 7 swings and cut throat... 2 minutes later the cops showed up
it was gruesome
wow. Thats sick. I remember the days when you could go into a bar and if something happened you settled your differences like a man and used your fists. What is happening to those days? Why do people feel they need socks with a pool ball, bike chains, knives, guns, pool sticks and broken bottles? I guess I should feel lucky I live in a small village where this kind of stuff doesn't really happen. Maybe its part of the reason I don't drink anymore. Who knows? Scary
Tom Gavrilos
11-04-2007, 12:08 PM
Real quick....... worst fight you ever saw or had to break up
I come inside the club to find a fellow bouncer (Dusty...who is now Phoenix PD) on "high ground" He has literaly climbed up onto the dance platform and 3 hells angels + 2 of their chicks are trying to fight him.
I went in to help and everyone (including Dusty and myself took a solid beating.) I got hit in the back of the head badly and it made me very dizzy. One of the girls scratched my neck very deeply with her "claws"
I finally got a hold of one we sloppily fell down together and I was on top. He was AT LEAST 260lbs by my estimation... I hit him maybe five times in the face/top of the head with the point of my elbow. His head split open on top. There was a pool of blood/cops & broken bottles everywhere!#!#!#@! SOme girls were crying and ambulance came for the guy with the split head. I was dizzy for half an hour but in the end the hells angels bikers did get the worst of it luckily. The cops beat their asses pretty badly too.
Ive never been hit so hard in the back of the head:mad: if I didnt have the will power I think I may have passed out or just called it quits there.
It was a CRAZY night that people still talk about.
Biker gangs usually never fight alone. Dusty is lucky you showed up....
Hadaka Jime
11-04-2007, 09:07 PM
I got hit in the back of the head badly and it made me very dizzy. this is just a case of the street being a ton different then MMA for all people who think MMA is street fighting and or street fighting is MMA,
Tom i assume you already know this, but for those who don't when you get hit in the back of the head, all of your coordination becomes very "off"... and it is hard to see, think, and even standing up is hard to do,** this is why in MMA organzations (most of them atleast) they outlawed hitting the back of the head
** so it was amazing that time had the will power to stay conscious and then help out his buddy, taking down a much larger person than him... elbows were a very very good choice for a street fight, they don't need to be very accurate to do a lot of damage and they hurt the other person bad, and it was needed to help prevent any more damage, nice job tom :) (to sum that up... try to avoid getting hit in the back of your head, and if some one is trying to hurt you and EX: dives in your legs for a take down, elbow down on the back of there head hard and it will help you get away unharmed and hurt your opponent)
another thing that seperates street fights from MMA/BJJ/Boxing/Wrestling or any other fighting SPORT is, weapons... bruce lee would not be able to take out a pissed of person who is 10 feet away pointing an UZZI at him... and people who study self defense can disarm a knife at close range and some can disarm a gun, but at a distance if there dead set on shooting you, no martial art will stop that, same as if they do it behind you 1 shot kill with out warning
MMA is similar or close to street fights, but it's not a street fight... if you saw in the ultimate fighter 4, or 5 i think 2 guys got in a street fight over something stupid and they both had a little alchohal... but to summarize, one of the guys tried pulling guard and throwing an armbar... well turns out he got picked up and had his head bashed 3 times on concrete cracking it open and leaving him bloody and messed up... so street isn't MMA, so don't go and try and throw a gogoplata on someone if they take you down in the middle of the street
I am not saying that all martial arts are worthless for street fights, because an example of the simpler submissions that are easy to get if you are attacked in the street are like, the guillotine, rear naked choke, and depending on what technique is your favorite (choke wise) or your money move that you can hit quick every time is good to use for a street fight, i would stick to chokes though, because like eddie bravo preaches from what i've seen (i agree with him) in a fight in the street you should use an Adrenaline proof technique, because if you do successfuly armbar a guy and break his arm... he could keep fighting and go wild... (look what randy couture did, i know thats MMA but he can keep going)..(and helio gracie's fight with Kimura, he had both shoulders dislocated and 1 arm broken before the fight stopped) so chokes are good in the street, they are adrenaline proof... and when they are out cold... you have the advantage you can get away or call police or w.e so stick to chokes in the street as far as MMA in street fights,
and remember the best self defense is not getting in the situation at all... 90% of all conflicts are avoidable do not run your mouth off for stupid reasons, people are irrational and will pull a knife on you stab you and run, it's a sad reality, and do not be caught in situations were you are alone in an area were you can not get to help fast and were people can't hear you scream... and let money and items go in place of your life... if some one has a gun or knife it's not worth dying items can be replaced... your family can't replace you, but if you feel you life is in danger and you fear you may die (if you recognize a serial killer or the person has killed someone else that you saw, they may kill you to) then use what ever you know to defend yourself and try and get away to help, and never get into a car with some one who is armed, because they can take you were ever they want and kill you and hide your body somewhere you'll never be found-sorry for going off topic into a little self defense lesson, but anyone who doesn't know these things should realize the reality of a street fight, robbing, kidnapping etc and i think it helps put in to perspective the reality of the fights they read above
and many people may disagree with a lot of things i've said up there, but i have seen a lot of bad things, from detroit, las angelos,inner city cleavland, the bronx, brooklyn and queens... i have been in over 50 street fights, none of witch i started, and seen/broken up over 200 street fights in person... so i have seen a lot of what happens, but again it is a fight... so no one in the world can ever say they've seen it all in the street fights, because it is all so unpredictable and with drugs, and weapons, and even peoples egos a fight can do so many strange things,so i've seen a lot more than the average joe, but no one has seen it all//and i have trained in many different self defence classes and many different martial arts for years and years and i hope to inform people who are ignorant to the harsh reality of the streets to what they could know that may help them
and sorry to all who read this, i know i can't spell... my over use of the... makes everything seem meaningless, i go off into THE MOST RANDOM THINGS and this is the happy Halloween topic of the sub 101 forum lol... wow i wrote a lot sorry, read it please :p
Tom Gavrilos
11-04-2007, 09:30 PM
this is just a case of the street being a ton different then MMA for all people who think MMA is street fighting and or street fighting is MMA,
Tom i assume you already know this, but for those who don't when you get hit in the back of the head, all of your coordination becomes very "off"... and it is hard to see, think, and even standing up is hard to do,** this is why in MMA organzations (most of them atleast) they outlawed hitting the back of the head
** so it was amazing that time had the will power to stay conscious and then help out his buddy, taking down a much larger person than him... elbows were a very very good choice for a street fight, they don't need to be very accurate to do a lot of damage and they hurt the other person bad, and it was needed to help prevent any more damage, nice job tom :) (to sum that up... try to avoid getting hit in the back of your head, and if some one is trying to hurt you and EX: dives in your legs for a take down, elbow down on the back of there head hard and it will help you get away unharmed and hurt your opponent)
another thing that seperates street fights from MMA/BJJ/Boxing/Wrestling or any other fighting SPORT is, weapons... bruce lee would not be able to take out a pissed of person who is 10 feet away pointing an UZZI at him... and people who study self defense can disarm a knife at close range and some can disarm a gun, but at a distance if there dead set on shooting you, no martial art will stop that, same as if they do it behind you 1 shot kill with out warning
MMA is similar or close to street fights, but it's not a street fight... if you saw in the ultimate fighter 4, or 5 i think 2 guys got in a street fight over something stupid and they both had a little alchohal... but to summarize, one of the guys tried pulling guard and throwing an armbar... well turns out he got picked up and had his head bashed 3 times on concrete cracking it open and leaving him bloody and messed up... so street isn't MMA, so don't go and try and throw a gogoplata on someone if they take you down in the middle of the street
I am not saying that all martial arts are worthless for street fights, because an example of the simpler submissions that are easy to get if you are attacked in the street are like, the guillotine, rear naked choke, and depending on what technique is your favorite (choke wise) or your money move that you can hit quick every time is good to use for a street fight, i would stick to chokes though, because like eddie bravo preaches from what i've seen (i agree with him) in a fight in the street you should use an Adrenaline proof technique, because if you do successfuly armbar a guy and break his arm... he could keep fighting and go wild... (look what randy couture did, i know thats MMA but he can keep going)..(and helio gracie's fight with Kimura, he had both shoulders dislocated and 1 arm broken before the fight stopped) so chokes are good in the street, they are adrenaline proof... and when they are out cold... you have the advantage you can get away or call police or w.e so stick to chokes in the street as far as MMA in street fights,
and remember the best self defense is not getting in the situation at all... 90% of all conflicts are avoidable do not run your mouth off for stupid reasons, people are irrational and will pull a knife on you stab you and run, it's a sad reality, and do not be caught in situations were you are alone in an area were you can not get to help fast and were people can't hear you scream... and let money and items go in place of your life... if some one has a gun or knife it's not worth dying items can be replaced... your family can't replace you, but if you feel you life is in danger and you fear you may die (if you recognize a serial killer or the person has killed someone else that you saw, they may kill you to) then use what ever you know to defend yourself and try and get away to help, and never get into a car with some one who is armed, because they can take you were ever they want and kill you and hide your body somewhere you'll never be found-sorry for going off topic into a little self defense lesson, but anyone who doesn't know these things should realize the reality of a street fight, robbing, kidnapping etc and i think it helps put in to perspective the reality of the fights they read above
and many people may disagree with a lot of things i've said up there, but i have seen a lot of bad things, from detroit, las angelos,inner city cleavland, the bronx, brooklyn and queens... i have been in over 50 street fights, none of witch i started, and seen/broken up over 200 street fights in person... so i have seen a lot of what happens, but again it is a fight... so no one in the world can ever say they've seen it all in the street fights, because it is all so unpredictable and with drugs, and weapons, and even peoples egos a fight can do so many strange things,so i've seen a lot more than the average joe, but no one has seen it all//and i have trained in many different self defence classes and many different martial arts for years and years and i hope to inform people who are ignorant to the harsh reality of the streets to what they could know that may help them
and sorry to all who read this, i know i can't spell... my over use of the... makes everything seem meaningless, i go off into THE MOST RANDOM THINGS and this is the happy Halloween topic of the sub 101 forum lol... wow i wrote a lot sorry, read it please :p
THANKS - very well written IMO. And yes being hit in the back of the head and using the point of your elbow to the top of the head is something you will never see again in MMA for a reason. Its deadly.
I thought you could hit to the top of the head with an elbow. Thats what Silva did to Lutter and nothing was said.
I thought the only contact to the head that was illegal were to the back of the head
Tom Gavrilos
11-04-2007, 11:16 PM
cannot use the points of your elbow to the top of the head or spine etc...
silva got a way with a few
Hadaka Jime
11-05-2007, 12:27 PM
so did anderson silva against some guy he triangled
and i think kenflo has done it a few times... top of the head is rarely called.... back of the head is warned before it even happens because it is a fast way to get dq'd
Ghosted3
11-05-2007, 12:52 PM
UFC rules state you can not attack the top of your opponents head with your elbow in a 12 oclock to 6 oclock motion, that is why they never said anything. Which in my opinion was dumb because if they would have been standing or kneeling it would have been from 12 to 6 motion. My take on it is since they were laying down, not all of the force would be absorbed by the brain / spine as it would if you were planted (like kneeling or standing). Big John talked about this in one of his interviews floating around on sherdog.
so a lot of other people noticed that too?
gunnsjmg
11-06-2007, 02:01 AM
I want to say great job Tom. Also great advice Hadaka Jime on the difference between pro fights and street fights. I would like to add from my personnal experience that the most effective style I've had the privilege to train in to prepare for real fights and life threatening situations was Krav Maga. There are watered down versions and training centers that dont teach real Krav Maga. To learn the real version odds are you'll have to travel to Isreal and hope to befriend an insider in one of the training centers. During training we were tought to use anything possible to get out of the situation and survive. We didnt spare or roll in training we fought eachother like our lives depended on it bare knuckels. In a normal session we'd fight 3-8 times, dont get me wrong we didnt eye goudge or fish hook or anything like that in our training fights although they did teach it.
I feel it tought us about real fights and situations because we actually fought each other during training and you never know what can happen or how you'll react and perform during a real fight unless you've been there before. I'm not saying the training will prepare you for any street fight that can happen because you never know how it will unfold until it does but as for me it tought me how I react and handle those situations.
Hadaka Jime
11-06-2007, 01:23 PM
I've looked in to Krav before, actually after human weapon i studied it in books/through out the internet, and it is a very very brutal war type training, from what i have seen it is more war based than street based, because some of the techniques involve defending against things such as assault rifles etc... you usually do not have to aggressively attack some one with an ak-47 out side a night club, Krav is surely a good defense with some of the pistol defenses and things like that... and i really like there knife defense for face to face... but BJJ and JJJ have qualities for disarming pistols and knives from face to face also, but the reality of things is, most the time your opponent has a knife, they aren't going to over power you, so they need to get an upper hand with a weapon, like i have a big friend who has been stabbed 4 times, because he's huge and strong 6'2 ripped to the bone and if you saw him you wouldn't think he's a push over, so many people will use knives in a crowd get 1-2 stabs in and run away, the other stabbings i've seen are on people carrying bags, gifts etc... things that thugs will stab you grab you stuff and run and you got stabbed so they don't expect you to chase them... so really 8-% of the time you don't even see people coming when they have a weapon so no martial art can prepare you to be ready to defend yourself, unless you keep your back to the wall at all times and are in a fighting mood you whole life... but thats not the case for like every one, things happen in the street when you least expect them and it's hard to think in real time and remember your training, so best case scenario to let you prepare for a fight is if you see the person pull the knife or the person is walking you down face to face with the knife... other than that your not going to be ready for it you just have to keep your head and react as fast as possible as try to keep all damage to a minimum, but like i said in an earlier post in this topic, 90% of situations are avoidable
1 more thing i would like to bring to the table on the whole street fight and self defense situation is underground or unknown styles to the common world, unless you grow up in a bad area, there are some street techniques no one will ever hear of... i've been following a new series called '52 blocks' and there is a guy on you tube showing the whole art, they refer to the practioners as the "bartendaz" and they have unbelievable upper body strength, they are quick and focus on strikes, they use bicep control and use elbows to block/counter strike, and a few of there guys are starting MMA and i look forward to how they do in MMA and i really hope it isn't another capoeira and fails in MMA, because it really looks cool from the little i have seen so far, but the 1 demonstration i saw made it look amazing and very effective... and this is just 1 street/underground fighting technique that is starting to show up on the internet for the world to see, and a lot of these guys use this to defend them selfs in jail and being jumped in bad areas on NYC so i think it's effective from what i've seen... and this is like i said just 1 of many "underground' techniques and ive seen others that are semi-effective but not worth explaining untill they popularize themselfs on the internet
gunnsjmg
11-06-2007, 07:11 PM
You're exactly right about never really being fully ready for violent situations that can occur at anytime especially if there's a weapon involved. Thanks for posting your experiences and knowledge on the subject. It is very informative and you give great advice.
Hadaka Jime
11-06-2007, 08:47 PM
well thanks for reading, i really love this forum for that reason, every one around is nice... and it's not dominated with adds all over, and most of all when i write some thing people will read it and respond to it, that makes the forum a better place IMO because at alot of larger forums you kind of feel like your writing with out a purpose, and i real appretiate the fact that you take the time to read my long most of the time random post's:) ... and i have been fortunate in were i have had great teachers and been able to learn a ton of things that i found are really helpfull in sports and in real life situations, and i think if i found something usefull, then it is worth sharing with any body willing to read,listen and learn... because coming into the whole combative enviroment of street fighting and self defence, to judo, BJJ and MMA if people didn't share information with me then i feel i would be left out of a major part of my life that i really enjoy, and i think if people learn more about things like BJJ then they can get into a really great art and it will definentley positivley impact there lives... and some people that i would recomend talking to about knowing as much as possible about the arts of fighting and self defense... any gracie jiu jitsu trainer (gracie family blood are the best IMO)/your local high school or college wrestling coach, I allways played basketball, and never wrestled but my schools wrestling coach really influenced me to study many martial arts/and last i'd say an old timer who has been around an art for a really long time, preferabley a contact sport, where the person is very passionate to the sport EX: boxing coach... the old guy who still has perfect technique and can teach you more than you'd ever expect to know... those are the 3 that influenced me, and hopefully i can intrest people into finding some one in person who they can study Martial Arts from:D
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