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JBotello
12-20-2007, 04:39 PM
If you got any.... ask away guys. I'll respond as quick as I can.

Hadaka Jime
12-20-2007, 05:09 PM
direct student of eddie?

Tom Gavrilos
12-20-2007, 06:18 PM
Hes mainly under Eddie Sanchez but yes he is Eddie's rolling partner in the AZ seminars. John knows his Rubber Guard ask away!

Hadaka Jime
12-20-2007, 06:36 PM
Can you explain the drowning Jiu?

Ari Bolden
12-20-2007, 07:15 PM
Tom:

I don't think John is under Eddie Sanchez anymore (John, correct me if I am wrong). I think that John is in the same boat I am (being that we've embraced Eddie Bravo's system and are working to fly the 10th planet flag in our cities and having Eddie come do seminars (or in my case, flying around the country going to his seminars...lol)

JBotello
12-20-2007, 07:27 PM
The Drowning Jiu-

Well this technique requires speed and downward pressure with your left leg like you're ice picking your opponent to keep your opponent from posturing up. I squeeze my knees to together as I'm sitting up placing my hand on my opponents hip. I tuck my right leg under my opponents face moving down towards his chest and abdomen as you move your left leg behind your opponents neck you need to come up to your knees and get a real deep hook on the arm your attacking. I then turn my left hip and place my face to the mat placing my left cheek to the mat facing my opponents feet. I then reach for my opponents instep/ ankle. This makes creating momentum easier in my experience. You pull your opponents ankle in a clockwise direction over your head while you scissor your legs. As he comes over you catch his leg and end up in the spider web with optimal control and a deep hook on his arm. You need to squeeze your legs nice and tight throughout this transition. Don't forget to control his arm through the movement with your right hand as well. The inverted arm bar is there for the taking from the jiu-claw as well...... you just need to Squeeeeeeze those legs.

Edited for spelling

Hope this helps :D

JBotello
12-20-2007, 07:29 PM
Tom:

I don't think John is under Eddie Sanchez anymore (John, correct me if I am wrong). I think that John is in the same boat I am (being that we've embraced Eddie Bravo's system and are working to fly the 10th planet flag in our cities and having Eddie come do seminars (or in my case, flying around the country going to his seminars...lol)

No I'm not under Sanchez ..... Bravo is my master. He took me under his wing.... and it's pretty warm under here. I'm eternally grateful and loyal to him, got the 10th planet tatt on my bicep to prove it :)

Hadaka Jime
12-20-2007, 08:30 PM
this is one of my favorite rubber guard techniques, because i am good at it, and know it, as for some of the other stuff i am fundamentally wrong in every possible way and hopefully i can come across the dvd to help me out, because i know sub 101's stuff from eddie, the jiu claw, and the drowning jiu, thanks a lot the little things you stated will probably help me out alot

Ari Bolden
12-20-2007, 08:47 PM
Amen brotha! You and me both.

No I'm not under Sanchez ..... Bravo is my master. He took me under his wing.... and it's pretty warm under here. I'm eternally grateful and loyal to him, got the 10th planet tatt on my bicep to prove it :)

JBotello
12-20-2007, 10:49 PM
One of my favorite techniques is the far side armbar from invisible collar.... it's money as long as you stay tight..... that goes for his whole system. That squeeze / clinch is key.

Ryan
12-20-2007, 10:50 PM
Welcome and thank you for your recent and future help! As I get familiar with Rubber Guard I am sure I will ask questions.

JBotello
12-20-2007, 11:08 PM
Thank you and I look forward to sharing my thoughts and Ideas with you and others on this forum. Remember I'm not the know all, end all voice on RG..... Eddie is :)

Ryan
12-20-2007, 11:13 PM
Thank you and I look forward to sharing my thoughts and Ideas with you and others on this forum. Remember I'm not the know all, end all voice on RG..... Eddie is :)

Right, but I certainly value your opinion, knowledge and lineage. I like this forum as we have many people who specialize in different things.

I am a wrestling guy
Ari is an all around guy like Aikido, Judo, JJJ, BJJ and 10th Planet
Tom is a JJ guy with MMA experience
Aaron is an MMA guy
Corry and Brett are JJ guys while Brett is directly under a Gracie.
and of course you are under Eddie Bravo.

Now we just need a Machado and we are all set :D

Guys, we have alot of good instruction here!!!!

JBotello
12-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Thank you for the props and yes we do have lots of great minds on this forum. I totally ditched other forums.... I like this one the best. Just guys that love JJ. What more could you ask for.... well besides Drea :)

Ryan
12-20-2007, 11:56 PM
Thank you for the props and yes we do have lots of great minds on this forum. I totally ditched other forums.... I like this one the best. Just guys that love JJ. What more could you ask for.... well besides Drea :)

Drea? whats that?

Edit + Nevermind..... looked at your myspace...... damn...... gorgeous.

JBotello
12-21-2007, 10:52 AM
:p :p :p .......I know. Anymore questions ???

Ryan
12-21-2007, 11:17 AM
:p :p :p .......I know. Anymore questions ???

I have never heard that name before. lol. I have heard of Dre and Andrea. I actually thought it was slang for something. Sorry bro, I live in a town of like 2500 peeps. I am sheltered!

JBotello
12-21-2007, 11:30 AM
No prob...

Hadaka Jime
12-21-2007, 01:49 PM
eddies 3rd disk on his dvd
track
4: Drea: Dreamin

JBotello
12-21-2007, 02:58 PM
Did you get your copy yet ???

Forkfoot
12-23-2007, 10:30 AM
Hey, J. Do you ever have trouble getting your opponent's hip down low enough to put your foot on it & move to RG? Do you try & get yourself higher up or just go to another type of guard & work for sweeps or something?

JBotello
12-23-2007, 01:32 PM
When you break your opponent down you need to keep the blade of your forearms shoved in their collar bone. This keeps them form moving up in your guard, and gives you the necessary space to get your foot on the hip. :D

Forkfoot
12-23-2007, 03:44 PM
When you break your opponent down you need to keep the blade of your forearms shoved in their collar bone. This keeps them form moving up in your guard, and gives you the necessary space to get your foot on the hip. :D


Perfect! Thank you! Those are the kind of details you can't really get from books.

JBotello
12-24-2007, 04:50 AM
You're welcome, if you have any other questions... don't hesitate to ask :D

skitlishis
12-24-2007, 11:54 AM
Here's a question I've been dying to ask. What moves can be done from the rubber-guard when you are unable to get your opponents hand to the mat? I know the duda is one but I haven't really figured out how to make it work.

JBotello
12-24-2007, 01:48 PM
1) The Duda- While only going about half way through with the zombie using your left hand, you need to shove his hand into your crouch with your right hand . You'll wanna swing your leg around his head at the same time.. This transition has to be done quickly. As your leg comes around and clamps down on your opponents neck, clasp your hands in a gable grip and turn the blade of your forearm into your opponents forearm and shoot your hips up while pulling down with the blade of your forearm..... It's a pretty slick submission.


Here's a list of a few more:

2) Invisible Collar
3) Far side Armbar
4) The Pump
5) The Meat hook
6) The crocodile
7) If you can push a wrist back there's a small chance for a traingle set-up as well.

Hope this helps ;)

skitlishis
12-24-2007, 02:39 PM
I actually haven't heard of all these, are they found in the 'mastering the rubber guard' book, because I have only studied the 'jiu-jitsu unleashed' book?

Ari Bolden
12-24-2007, 03:42 PM
Yes Skit, there are found in his Rubber Guard book.

skitlishis
12-24-2007, 05:23 PM
thnx guys, i appreciate it.

Forkfoot
12-24-2007, 05:36 PM
Here's a list of a few more:

2) Invisible Collar
3) Far side Armbar
4) The Pump
5) The Meat hook
6) The crocodile
7) If you can push a wrist back there's a small chance for a traingle set-up as well.

Hope this helps ;)

How do you pull off the invisible collar & far-side armbar without trapping the hand to the mat? I thought those came after obtaining Chill Dog?

JBotello
12-25-2007, 09:29 AM
You're right.... I was going off the top of my head... some expert LOL !?!?!?

I have nailed the far side from there though. :)

Forkfoot
12-26-2007, 05:24 AM
Seriously, though, finding someone online who actually understands the RG and will unconditionally answer questions about it is like finding buried pirate treasure. Thank you very much for being here.

JBotello
12-26-2007, 08:10 AM
No problem... I'm always happy to pass on knowledge :)

Hadaka Jime
12-26-2007, 06:30 PM
got the dvd and i am happy as hell, great music videos, some funny punkings, and 4 great main works... i am going to write a review in my topic eddies dvd

thanks a lot J for all the help with RG and answering these questions

jw does this thread include spiderweb, because i am fundamentally lost there, but i got a base of eddies half guard and RG game now, i just got a lot to ask about the spiderweb

Tom Gavrilos
12-26-2007, 06:36 PM
Seriously, though, finding someone online who actually understands the RG and will unconditionally answer questions about it is like finding buried pirate treasure. Thank you very much for being here.

Yeah I gotta say we all owe you a big thanks bro!

JBotello
12-26-2007, 07:07 PM
No problem.... and yes any question on the system is o.k. with me. :D

My private classes are even better ..wink.. wink :)

Tom Gavrilos
12-26-2007, 07:18 PM
No problem.... and yes any question on the system is o.k. with me. :D

My private classes are even better ..wink.. wink :)

Yes I better see some people signing up for his classes@! Not only is it rare to find a place that teaches CORRECT Rubber Guard but because the prices and instructor are fair!

Im throwing up a free shirt for anyone who signs up with John! :D

Hadaka Jime
12-26-2007, 07:18 PM
it's just that i already formally train at the gracie academy in ohio, so my money on training is to there and a few times to out of state seminars with the gracies... so back to RG

the arm crush... i can not get the lock, i have only watched the vid 1 time, so i will probably work it out my self, but i can't get it to hurt, i can't make it tight, it seems like maybenot a deep enough hook, or not turning enough, but i am not going to move on in the dvd untill me and my partner get this down, any tricks to make this extra tight, because other than the bicep slicer (arresting pin ari shows) i can not do the fracture armlock (also by ari) or this spiderweb arm crush, i am not good at bladed pressure locks i guess but idk maybe you have a trick to make this do some damage and deal the pain that i know it can... just talk it out really detailed i am really really lost on this and i am way to loose so just draw it out with crayons so a 7 year old would understand please :p if youcould do this it would help alot and i will continue threw the techniques eddie has layed out on his dvd for spiderweb guard (thanks a ton)

and the wierd thing is, i got the swim move down in 2 trys and nail it every time even with my partner trying to stop it, so i can get to the spiderweb from all positions eddie shows... but when i get there i can only armbar and yeah, that's about it thanks a head of time

JBotello
12-27-2007, 05:13 AM
1) You're in Spider web hooking his leg you pull yourself till you're hip to hip.
2) You lean slightly to the right to get the correct angle.
3) **Make sure you're hooked at the crook of his arm with a deep hook... like your reaching into your hip pocket.
4) You figure 4 your legs placing your left foot behind his head.
5) As you squeeze your knees together you keep the blade of your arm parallel to the ground and pull it towards your heart. For added pressure slightly extend your left leg as you pull your left arm towards your heart while squeezing your knees together.

Common mistakes:
1)Leaning back when squeezing the legs. - Keep your back straight-
2) Your left elbow is inside your left leg when squeezing. Keep it out and above the leg.
3) ** If your opponent is flexing his bicep it will not affect him. It then comes down to who will give up first. If he stops flexing his bicep... you win :)

Forkfoot
12-29-2007, 12:56 PM
Any advice for us on the Invisible Collar? Common mistakes you've run into? Anything you've run into in training that isn't in the book?

Ari Bolden
12-29-2007, 02:41 PM
I can't wait until my rubber guard meets John's rubber guard on Jan 26! It's gonna be classic! Then, we'll both get killed by Eddie!

Love it!

JBotello
12-29-2007, 11:47 PM
Any advice for us on the Invisible Collar? Common mistakes you've run into? Anything you've run into in training that isn't in the book?


Invisible Collar is a money move you just gotta squeeze everything together and keep hugging that knee :)

JBotello
12-29-2007, 11:50 PM
Ari Bolden I can't wait until my rubber guard meets John's rubber guard on Jan 26! It's gonna be classic! Then, we'll both get killed by Eddie!

Love it!



It'll be a classic Arizona showdown in the desert :)

Ghosted3
12-30-2007, 09:08 AM
Dont forget vids guys.. Some of us would love to see some rubber guard matches ;p

JBotello
12-30-2007, 10:07 AM
Sure thing :)

JBotello
01-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Anymore questions ??

Hadaka Jime
01-01-2008, 10:39 AM
not really a question just more of a statement

going back to the invicible collar... A LOT of people say they have problems with it, the thing is i just don't see how, i get to it easily and it allways has enough pressure to tap my opponent, this is my best move from the RG so far, so as a teacher of RG... what percent or number (like 1 in every 10 etc) has trouble with the invicible collar

it may just be that i am allways rolling with stronger larger opponents and they fit perfect into the collar, and the 1 time i has a really small guy i just did the small variation, not a whole lot of movement or change you just grab your foot and pull tighter and this techniqu works about 80% for me, love it!

PS: nice sig... very RG mentality

JBotello
01-01-2008, 10:46 AM
I got 2 out of 20 plus students that can withstand the Invisible Collar. Some guys just have a high pain tolerance. Very few people have trouble with it unless they don't have the flexibility, or squeezing endurance. It does work better on big guys... The key is squeezing and digging that forearm in the neck. You got the far side armbar there as well.... that's usually my favorite combo..... happy hunting :)

Hadaka Jime
01-01-2008, 11:04 AM
yeah i can't stand bieng in the collar, im small but i tought a strong partner how to do it against a smaller opponent and he pulls so hard i tap pretty quick it's a good move theres not much you can do but lay in it and hope they let you go because they think you won't tap... atleast when im in it, it seems like theres no way out

Ari Bolden
01-01-2008, 12:23 PM
The invisible collar is a great submission but if you don't have it tight enough, it can be difficult to get the submission. There has been alot of talk about how this move works better on bigger guys (according to Eddie's Book). The thing is, if your opponent is bigger and your legs aren't long enough, it can be hard to put enough pressure on the neck and collar bone.

As Eddie says in his DVD, " The invisible collar and the variation to make it tighter won't work on bigger guys."

The variation he is talking about is using the right hand (the one driving in to the neck) to grab onto his right foot (letting go of the left ankle).

Remember, to defend the invisible collar, you push against the arm that is driving into the neck. Problem is, it may leave you open to an arm bar attack (invisible gator).

Oh...the variations......:D

JBotello
01-02-2008, 10:19 AM
Hallelujah... :)

Forkfoot
01-06-2008, 06:59 AM
Okay, got a new one for ya. I know the way to keep a guy from shoving the leg on his hip down is to squeeze with your legs, but what about those times when they're able to do it anyway? Are there any moves available apart from the Carni if you haven't got them in Chill Dog yet?

Forkfoot
01-06-2008, 07:01 AM
Oh, and one more: what in your experience is the most secure and easy to maintain RG position to hold an opponent in if you want to just keep them broken down and let them tire themselves out? I'm still at a point where I sometimes tire out before they do.

JBotello
01-06-2008, 01:27 PM
Reteard control is good control....just keep a tight gable grip and keep that foot on the hip.

JBotello
01-06-2008, 09:52 PM
Okay, got a new one for ya. I know the way to keep a guy from shoving the leg on his hip down is to squeeze with your legs, but what about those times when they're able to do it anyway? Are there any moves available apart from the Carni if you haven't got them in Chill Dog yet?


Sorry didn't see that one .. Here you go : Not really... you can always release mission control and go back to half guard....but then you're going backwards. You can also try kung fu move and try to move to carni or jiu claw if you have the flexibility.... you can also try going to the pyramid.

Ghosted3
01-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Im waiting to see the 10th planet tats...

MatzeOne
01-08-2008, 03:15 PM
I've got a question. When I'm executing The Pump and I'm spinning to the right, hooking my right arm under my partner's left thigh and tossing him over to get into spider web it happens, that the right knee of my partner is a little bit disturbing and it's in the way and I don't get so close to my partner in spider web as I should. It happens only with one of my partners. What am I doing wrong?

JBotello
01-08-2008, 07:04 PM
You're supposed to switch and hook the right knee once you get into Spider web... had a little trouble understanding your question. Can you word it a little more clearly ??

Forkfoot
02-04-2008, 07:51 AM
Hello again, Master B. This isn't a RG question, but it's 10th Planet, so I guess this goes here. Starting to get into Eddie's Twister stuff (just found out we're allowed to do neck cranks while rolling at my school). Two quick questions, an I'm sure I'll have more:

1) The twister roll- is there any chance of me torquing my opponent's leg when doing that? I kinda worry about hurting their grapevined knee if they try to fight the roll or roll the other way or something.

2) Baseball bat controll- What is up with that weird grip on the wrist? In his book Eddie never really gives a good reason for it.

Tallsilkyslim
02-04-2008, 09:36 AM
Besides the stretching that is shown on the sub101 vids, are there any other stretches that you reccomend to increase the ability of the rubber guard. I'm 6'5 so I get to cheat most of the time but I still want it to be more rubbery;)

Forkfoot
02-04-2008, 09:51 AM
Besides the stretching that is shown on the sub101 vids, are there any other stretches that you reccomend to increase the ability of the rubber guard. I'm 6'5 so I get to cheat most of the time but I still want it to be more rubbery;)

I started I started laying my leg on its side in front of me, bent inward maybe 45 degrees, and leaning into it. This stretched the bejeezus out of my hips and the outside of my legs and now I can get both legs behind my head no prob.

LongV
02-26-2008, 02:53 PM
There are many questions on how to use the rubber guard, but this tops them all

How the heck do get out of the rubber guard once that person gets you in it?

Ari Bolden
02-26-2008, 02:56 PM
That's easy LongV......TAP:D

BJJ060382
02-26-2008, 03:01 PM
There are many questions on how to use the rubber guard, but this tops them all

How the heck do get out of the rubber guard once that person gets you in it?

John, if you dont mind me taking this one ;), the best way i've found, and the way I learned from Scott is basically to stack, and stand up :). Watch for the insertion of butterfly hooks, and try to get both of your arms out of his closed guard.

You could check out Josh Barnett's DVD "Attacking the Guard", he has a portion on there where he teaches "Snapping the Rubber Guard", but if you ask me, it screams Carni.

Ari Bolden
02-26-2008, 03:05 PM
BJJ06 is right. Stacking the rubber guard is the surest way to cause the guy on the bottom problems. The way most people get caught in rubber guard is opting to say on their kness and try to wiggle free.

JBotello
02-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Stacking is a good option....till we whip out the X-guard :)

BJJ060382
02-26-2008, 07:07 PM
Stacking is a good option....till we whip out the X-guard :)

Possibly, but after gettign those privates from Laimon, im fairly confident. WHen you think about it, once you stack a guy he has to get his leg off your shoulder, and then all the way down your torso in order to get to X-Guard. By that time, I would've backed away at least 3 ft. From there, its time to stand up with the Ohio wrestler :D.

LongV
02-27-2008, 03:04 PM
That's easy LongV......TAP:D


OH...oh...that's uhh...funny ari...yeah. That'll be the last time I watch your stupid submissions101 videos.:mad:








I was just kidding ari. Please make more of those cool vids.:o

JBotello
02-28-2008, 01:08 PM
Possibly, but after gettign those privates from Laimon, im fairly confident. WHen you think about it, once you stack a guy he has to get his leg off your shoulder, and then all the way down your torso in order to get to X-Guard. By that time, I would've backed away at least 3 ft. From there, its time to stand up with the Ohio wrestler :D.


Let me know when you find a guard that is stack proof and is still very offensive, and I'll use that guard forever playa :)

Ari Bolden
02-28-2008, 06:28 PM
+1 what John said. No Guard is 100%, that is why options exist!

BJJ060382
03-01-2008, 08:15 PM
Let me know when you find a guard that is stack proof and is still very offensive, and I'll use that guard forever playa :)

Dude, if I find that guard, i'll probably throw a parade. Like, seriously. Better yet, if I find a guard like that, John you and Ari both will have to shave your heads COMPLETELY BALD (Eyebrows, Facial hair, EVERYTHING), let me draw eyebrows on your faces, and then take you out to a strip club :).

Ari Bolden
03-01-2008, 08:29 PM
It's a date buddy :)

Too bad that won't happen. Let's just meet and work on Eddie's stuff!!!!:D

danjr
03-08-2008, 12:03 AM
I just picked up Mastering the Rubber Guard and so far so good. Haven't had a chance to practice any of this stuff but I didn't know how versatile half guard is. One thing though, if you guys ever get to talking with eddie about future books... leave out the marijuana. I skipped over half of it once I realized "..this is only about pot and not jujitsu" That kind of lengthy intro should be in an autobiography, but I wanted to read about jujitsu.

Ari Bolden
03-08-2008, 03:17 AM
Dan:

Well, it is Eddie's book and it is a part of his game. I was also surprised how much he went into it in his book but after getting to know him and talking with him, it makes sense.

For the record, I am not chronic nor can I roll when stoned but I have chilled with him on occassion.

He is the guy writting the books and if he wants to talk about pot or his childhood (MTT), its his call.

Heck, if I write a JJ book, who knows what I'll throw in?!!??:)

Forkfoot
03-08-2008, 04:35 PM
Yeah, but damn, couldn't the dude just write the two grappling books & then write a damn autobiography? Seriously, some of that stuff was just dumb. Like the, what, two pages it took him to present a hypothetical scenario to ask the question "Who would win in a no-gi fight, a gi guy or a no-gi guy?" I kicked myself for the time and brain cells I spent reading that.

LongV
03-08-2008, 05:48 PM
Heck, if I write a JJ book, who knows what I'll throw in?!!??:)


You might talk about that time when you were playing the guitar hero and rode in that 1937 olds-mobile(or whatever you called it in one of your vids) LOL :D

danjr
03-09-2008, 10:27 AM
I thought of something great that I would buy.. ok

a lot of people that play guitar have one of those posters that show chords and stuff like this.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/1457_GUITARCHORDS.jpg


It would be awesome if there was one for the rubber guard that showed all the different positions like mission control, new york, chill dog, retard control, pyramid, etc. so people like me can take a break every once in a while and just look at the moves to help cement them into memory. I tried to make a concept poster... so you know what I mean. It's pretty crappy


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/danroeth/rubberguardposter.jpg

LongV
03-09-2008, 01:15 PM
You should also add the 10th planet logo in the background. :D

danjr
03-09-2008, 03:06 PM
If I had the time/inclination I would scan the pictures out of the book (since I couldn't find them on google within 5 minutes) and make a better looking poster.. But even then I still don't have the means to make a poster, let alone thousands of posters to sell. That's why I think Eddie or Victory Belt or whoever should make a poster like that. Sorta like a quick reference for when were sitting at our desks working but are really thinking of the rubber guard and how to improve at it.

Ari Bolden
03-09-2008, 03:39 PM
Dan:

What about the flow chart at the beginning of the book? Isn't that close to what you meant?

danjr
03-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Wow Ari!! How did I miss that !?

Yeah put that on a poster realllllll big so I can hang it on my wall!!! With bigger pictures too and lose the page numbers. I would def. get one of those. (pass the word along and see if they will make them)

danjr
03-10-2008, 09:17 PM
I have a new rubber guard question. What should your partner feel when you do the invisible collar correctly? I was playing around with it today and I wasn't sure when I was doing it right, either my partner didn't feel anything or felt a pain in his neck where my elbow is after I clear the head.

Is it like a triangle choke using arms and legs? Does it stop the blood flow? Is it just supposed to hurt?

A couple people were giving me strange looks when I did it...

Ari Bolden
03-10-2008, 09:32 PM
The invisible collar attacks the collar bone. It isn't a choke, it is like a collar bone crush/crank. It also doesn't work very well on smaller guys (small necks).

I would say it is about 25% for the tap. If it doesn't work, go for the omo or gogo.

danjr
03-10-2008, 09:59 PM
thanks. I was taking it slow and just trying it once.. I didn't want to hurt him for real. Maybe I should be more ruthless! I got a couple big bruises on my forearms just from defending against armbars. Sometimes the people I roll with just go all out and for how big I am.. I'm a pretty small guy (does that make any sense at all??)


Any advice on how to get better without practicing :rolleyes:

JBotello
03-14-2008, 02:56 PM
Let me swoooop on in here, sorry i've been mad busy with the new affiliation and stuff. I hope you guys forgive me :)

Invisible collar puts a lot of pressure on the collar bone but if applied at the right angle, and given the proper squeezing endurance it can be applied as a choke as well.

Key points: *Keep the forearm on his collar bone not your elbow. With your palm facing up hooking at the ankle ...NOT FOOT or TOES !!
If you keep your elbow there you're too high and it's not gonna work.

Make sure to hug the knee and close the distance on that trapped arm. Closing the distance between your armpit and your knee, REAALLLLY HUGGING the knee. The tighter you are on that knee/ trapped arm the better off you will be .... happy hunting.
-John

flying gogo-plata
03-26-2008, 10:37 PM
ok so i've got uke in new york, or chill dog and he slides his hands under me and behind my back and then he locks em' the he's pressed to close to me to get my foot in front of his neck, and he's holding me down so i can't get out to the side for the jiu claw, i tried the kung fu move but his grip was way to strong...help me i'm afraid someone else is gonna see him do this and then my RG's gonna be useless against every one in class!:( :( :( :(

Rasamat
03-28-2008, 04:49 PM
Hello,

I got a few questions about the RG. I'm really getting into it these days, I looked at it rather skeptically until I watched the 3 vids on someone's myspace of EB teaching the RG basics. Anyways, I'll try and make it clear this time.


1. Assuming you're in side control, ( right after yoru opponent rolls over ).
Eddie said you can mount the opponent from that position. But, wouldn't it be really easy for the opponent to use your momentum and push you off. With the speed you use to get on top of him, he could just pull you slightly and make you fall to the other side, right? I'm not confident someone could easily mount his opponent from that position. Maybe I missed something?


2. What are the flaws of the RG. I mean I've never seen anyone use this in the UFC and I rarely see it being used in BJJ fights on youtube. I mean, there's got to be a reason why so few people are using it.

If this technique is so great, what's to stop it from working every single time ?


3. What are the techniques that I can use once I manage to establish a side-control ( like after my opponent rolls) Is there just the twister? -(it looks complicated)


4. In Eddie's videos, when he has his opponent in the omoplata, he seems to say that he wants his opponent to roll every time, why doesn't he just finish the omoplata? Or does it almost never work when doing it while passing through the rubber guard, max dogg chill sequence thing?

Ari Bolden
03-28-2008, 05:10 PM
Hello,

I got a few questions about the RG. I'm really getting into it these days, I looked at it rather skeptically until I watched the 3 vids on someone's myspace of EB teaching the RG basics. Anyways, I'll try and make it clear this time.


1. Assuming you're in side control, ( right after yoru opponent rolls over ).
Eddie said you can mount the opponent from that position. But, wouldn't it be really easy for the opponent to use your momentum and push you off. With the speed you use to get on top of him, he could just pull you slightly and make you fall to the other side, right? I'm not confident someone could easily mount his opponent from that position. Maybe I missed something?

Side control to mount is rather easy if you have base when you get there. Eddie tends to grab his foot and pull it through to get mount. It is not easy to flip if you have a good base.


2. What are the flaws of the RG. I mean I've never seen anyone use this in the UFC and I rarely see it being used in BJJ fights on youtube. I mean, there's got to be a reason why so few people are using it.

If this technique is so great, what's to stop it from working every single time ?

No guard works 100% of the time. By Eddie's own admission, it works like %22 of the time. It is a good guard, but not THE guard. In fact , no guard is. It isn't used a lot becasue many people don't know it or practice it well. Remember a techniques is only as good as the person doing it.

3. What are the techniques that I can use once I manage to establish a side-control ( like after my opponent rolls) Is there just the twister? -(it looks complicated)

Twister side control or just side control? TSC there is a twister, leg attacks, arm attacks, chokes. It is a starting postion where many ptions are available.


4. In Eddie's videos, when he has his opponent in the omoplata, he seems to say that he wants his opponent to roll every time, why doesn't he just finish the omoplata? Or does it almost never work when doing it while passing through the rubber guard, max dogg chill sequence thing?

Omoplata is defended easily by most people who know grappling. That is why it isn't a super high % finisher. What Eddie talks about is knowing how your opponent is going to move. If you watch the video of me and Aaron grappling, I go for an omoplata on him but he rolls through the back door, hence making me do a re adjust and escape.

Rasamat
03-28-2008, 05:27 PM
ok,

btw for 3) I was meaning TSC. What I'd like to see on the sub101 website, is a video showing a few moves you can do from that TSC position, or/and just from side-control aswell.
Thanks for you response too.

BJJ060382
03-28-2008, 05:33 PM
One of the major weaknesses to the RG for starters is the Mule Kick (to free the foot thats posted on your hip). If a person mule kicks your foot off of their hip, then plants your leg to the ground and pins it with their knee (with their foot hooked on your thigh so you cant transition to Carni) then it pretty much kills the RG and at that point you'll have to focus on Guard retention.

Sean Bollinger came up with this funky form of RG that he calls the "Double Bagger", which instead of you having the foot on the hip, its actually around the guys back. The only problem with that is when you rotate to the side that he has his leg on your neck, and stack hard.

Thats pretty much all apart of the fight though. Basically just reverse engineer the weaknesses, and you'll be fine.

Forkfoot
03-29-2008, 02:43 PM
2. What are the flaws of the RG. I mean I've never seen anyone use this in the UFC and I rarely see it being used in BJJ fights on youtube. I mean, there's got to be a reason why so few people are using it.

If this technique is so great, what's to stop it from working every single time ?


No technique works every single time. Do some stretching and test it out on the mat and you'll quickly see that it's going to take a long time to master. You're starting to see some RG stuff in MMA, which makes sense because it's a great way to keep someone from posturing up in your guard and pounding on you while allowing you to continue hunting for submissions, but MMA seems like it's always a few years behind the guys who just practice straight grappling. A lot of MMA guys are already pretty accomplished in BJJ before they start learning about the RG, and by then they're like, "Hell, I've already got a guard system that's been working for me, and I really need to work on my striking and clinch game," so the RG gets put on the back burner. Give it time though and I'll convinced you'll see it a lot more than you are now.