smoking and jiu-jitsu?

[flying gogo-plata]

i don't mean weed, as i am of the belief that that actually improves ur physical health, but i wanted to know how many people on here smoke tobacco regularly, and how much they think it affects their cardio, or overall performance? i know some very successful mma fighters smoke and still are able to compete with no obvious difficulties that i can see, but i noticed a slight decrease in my performance in wrestling when i started smoking about a year ago, since then i think my cardio returned to normal and i have just as good, if not better, stamina as the rest of the people in my bjj class, but i can't really be sure as i don't remember exactly how good my cardio was before i started. does anyone have any difficulties rolling or just doing any exercise that they attribute to their tobacco use, were u able to acheive relatively the same amount of stamina as ur peers after working out for awhile? i remember reading that most health risks of smoking were diminished in those who were very athletic, but i don't remember where i read it so i don't know if it was a credible source or not. ur thoughts?

[jiggsy]

If you have only smoked for a year, give it up! It will hurt you on the long run.

I smoked for ten years, but quit 5 years ago, and I am now in the best shape of my life. I train 2 hrs muay thai, and 2 hrs bjj 5 days a week. There is no way I could do that and smoke.

Besides, smoking=stinky!

[flying gogo-plata]

If you have only smoked for a year, give it up! It will hurt you on the long run.

I smoked for ten years, but quit 5 years ago, and I am now in the best shape of my life. I train 2 hrs muay thai, and 2 hrs bjj 5 days a week. There is no way I could do that and smoke.

Besides, smoking=stinky!

i would like to, and once i am on a bipolar medication that works i believe i will, cut down to the occasional celebratory cigar, or stop completely, but currently when i'm going through some of my more extreme mood swings i find they help to relieve stress and somewhat quell my thoughts, until then i'll continue. did u train at all when u smoked or did u stop before u began martial arts?

[jiggsy]

Stopped before I started Martial Arts. I travelled to Thailand 10 years ago and first tried Muay Thai...WOW that was hard in 100 degree weather with smokers lungs!! A 5 minute round felt like hours, but now 2 hrs feels like 5 mins:D

[loosingprospect]

I have smoked for almost 4 years and quit about 2 months and what I have found is that you see cardio gains faster...what I found was that you loose cardio faster when you smoke and stop training I had a four month period where I smoked and did not train because I moved to Tallahassee, FL and when I came back It was terrible I normally could train two to three hours and after an hour I was dead I would say just be careful man

[Ari Bolden]

Smoking bad...any way you cut it. That includes weed when you smoke it as well.

Bad for lungs. Bad for cardio. Makes you stink too.

[JayC]

Agreed. Smoking SUCKS. Not only is it bad for cardio, but when I roll with someone who does smoke they make me gag because of the smell. I guess this makes me finish them quicker, but still.

I only smoke weed occasionally. I love the stuff, but there's a time and a place and jiu jitsu is further up my "loves" list than weed is.

[Chris Herzog]

Damn I thought I was gunna be able to come on this thread and promote vaporizing! But then saw you ment tobacco.

Please Ban thread starter!!! :D

[johnnyP]

Damn I thought I was gunna be able to come on this thread and promote vaporizing! But then saw you ment tobacco.

Please Ban thread starter!!! :D

I am at work and cannot research it, so would someone please be willing to explain what a vaporizer does/is?

Thanks :)

[JayC]

Damn I thought I was gunna be able to come on this thread and promote vaporizing! But then saw you ment tobacco.

Please Ban thread starter!!! :D

Promote it, it's awesome :D

[Shonuff]

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone in this day and age can even consider smoking with the outrageous amount of information available explaining how horrible it is for your health...

[JayC]

It's addictive mate, that's why. People with stress who smoke usually find it reduces stress

[Shonuff]

It's addictive mate, that's why. People with stress who smoke usually find it reduces stress

In order to become addicted you have to start...

That was my point.

[Ari Bolden]

I am at work and cannot research it, so would someone please be willing to explain what a vaporizer does/is?

Thanks

from wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer

vaporizer (or vaporiser) is a device used to release the active ingredients of plant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant) material, commonly cannabis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29), or tobacco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco), and also to release therapeutic compounds from herbs (phyto-inhalation; see also: aromatherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatherapy)). Vaporization is an alternative to smoking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking). Rather than burning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion) the herb, which produces numerous harmful by-products, a vaporizer heats the material, ideally to 180°C (356°F), so that the active compounds contained in the plant boil off into a vapor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor). This new gas is not smoke from combustion, but an evaporated vapor that has the appearance of light smoke. The vapor ideally contains virtually zero particulate matter (tar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_%28tobacco_residue%29)) and reduced noxious gases such as carbon monoxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide). Vapor may be filtered and cooled further using a water pipe or an inline water/ice attachment. The vapor is then inhaled directly through a hose or pipe, or stored for subsequent inhalations in a container such as a "dome" or "balloon." With little to no smoke produced, cooler temperatures, and less material required to achieve the same effect, the irritating/harmful effects of smoking are greatly reduced or eliminated along with second hand smoke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking) by using a vaporizer. This makes vaporizers useful in places where there are public bans on smoking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans).

Medical implications


The shortcomings of smoked cannabis have been widely viewed as a major obstacle for the approval of medical marijuana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis). In response, several scientific studies have tried to establish whether vaporizers could offer a clinically reliable and safe method of cannabis use. Though vaporizers show great variations of performance, model to model, such studies have consistently found vaporization superior to smoking. When using high-end vaporizers along with high grade cannabis (containing elevated levels of THC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC)), all undesired compounds are found to be eliminated, in a manner consistent enough for clinical trials.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In comparison to other THC delivery methods such as ingestion, vaporization offers the advantages of: rapid onset, direct delivery into the bloodstream, and the possibility to gradually increase delivery until the desired level is reached; enabling for more effective self-dosage.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaporizer&action=edit&section=2)] Types

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Electric wood box vaporizer


Vaporizers are available in many varieties and price ranges.
Simple vaporizers commonly use a jet flame lighter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighter) as heat source. Although common lighters can also be used, jet flame or torch lighters are preferred, because they don't stain the vaporizer with soot.
Precise vaporizers use an electric heating element, often featuring a temperature control. High-end models may cost several hundred U.S. dollars.
Broadly, vaporizers may be classified by how they heat the substance:
By thermal conduction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conduction)
By convection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection)
By thermal radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_radiation)In conduction heating, the substance is placed on a metal plate that is then heated to release the active constituents. The direct contact between hot metal and the herbs can cause them to burn; thus this is not a preferred approach and is rarely used in modern vaporizer designs.
In convection heating, the substance itself never touches a heating element. Instead, hot air passes through it, heating it rapidly, and allowing the release of the active constituents. This method of heating releases more active constituents than conduction heating, especially if the extraction chamber utilizes Venturi effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect) design.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
In radiation heating, the substance is subjected to bright light. The substance absorbs radiant energy and its temperature raises.
Many convection vaporizers use a tube (called a "whip") that is held to the heat source, through which the user inhales the vapors. Some vaporizers have a bag or balloon attachment; vapor is blown into the bag, and the user detaches the bag and inhales the contents.



Another classification for vaporizers includes the type of materials used in the heating element, the extraction chambers, and delivery system. Most common "wood box and whip" type vaporizers use a heating element with a glass extraction chamber and plastic or rubber tubing for delivery. While effective, there are concerns about off-gassing from volatile organic compounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_organic_compound) used in the construction. Some companies use a higher-grade plastic hose while the makers of the higher end vaporizers have opted for a silicone hose. Certain vaporizers utilize a heating chamber completely separated from all electronics. A high end vaporizer made in Germany, the Volcano, uses an aluminum heat exchanger and a food grade plastic bag for storage and delivery.

[Ari Bolden]

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaporizer&action=edit&section=3)] Health and medical use

Regardless of the benefits of medical cannabis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis), the widely perceived health risks of smoking as a route of administration have been viewed as a major obstacle for the legal approval of cannabis for medical uses, though some studies indicate that the expectorant activity of THC may help the lungs remove much of the inhaled tar through coughing.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-0) In response to the concerns, several studies have aimed to establish whether or not vaporizers could offer a clinically reliable and safe route of administration for cannabis. Though vaporizers show great variations in performance, such studies have consistently found vaporization superior to smoking and with best case (high-end vaporizers used with potent cannabis) results showing an elimination of undesired compounds suitable for clinical trials.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In comparison to other routes of administering cannabis such as eating, vaporization offers the advantages of inhalation - immediate delivery into the bloodstream, rapid onset of effect, and more precise titration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titration), the ability to more accurately control the dosage to produce a desired effect.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaporizer&action=edit&section=4)] Scientific studies

As all studies conducted in recent years used the Volcano Vaporizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano_Vaporizer), it appears to be the standard in scientific research by now. All Studies have found the release of harmful constituents dramatically reduced[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_2004-1) or completely eliminated.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2) Substantial reductions were also found for the M1-volatizer.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_2001-3) However, a 1996 study[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_1996-4) including two simple vaporizers still found ten times more tar in the vapor than THC, although this was nevertheless up to a 30% improvement compared to the best alternative smoking method.
The most recent study, published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology in May 2008,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Journal_of_Psychopharmacology-5) investigated the acceptability and usefulness of intrapulmonary THC administration using a Volcano Vaporizer and pure THC instead of cannabis. Rising doses of THC (2, 4, 6 and 8 mg) were administered with 90 minutes intervals to twelve healthy males. Very low between-subject variability was observed in THC plasma concentrations, characterising the Volcano Vaporizer as a suitable method for the administration of THC.
In 2007, a study by University of California, San Francisco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California%2C_San_Francisco) published in the Official Journal of the American Academy of Neurology[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-6) examined the effectiveness of a vaporizer that heats cannabis to a temperature between 180°C (356°F) and 200°C (392°F) degrees and found:
“ Using CO as an indicator, there was virtually no exposure to harmful combustion products using the vaporizing device. Since it replicates smoking's efficiency at producing the desired THC effect using smaller amounts of the active ingredient as opposed to pill forms, this device has great potential for improving the therapeutic utility of THC. ” In 2006, a study performed by researchers at Leiden University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiden_University), tested a Volcano Vaporizer with preparations of pure THC and found that:[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2)
“ Our results show that a safe and effective cannabinoid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid) delivery system seems to be available to patients. The final pulmonal uptake of THC is comparable to the smoking of cannabis, while avoiding the respiratory disadvantages of smoking. ” When using plant material (crude flower tops), besides THC, several other cannabinoids as well as a range of other plant components including terpenoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene) were detected in the plant material. However, using pure THC in the Volcano Vaporizer, no degradation products (delta-8-THC (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delta-8-THC&action=edit&redlink=1) (D8-THC), cannabinol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinol) (CBN), or unknown compounds) were detected by HPLC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_performance_liquid_chromatography) analysis. Also, a substantially larger fraction of the THC was delivered to the vapor by using pure THC.
Analysis of the vapor from the Volcano Vaporizer found that using multiple passes it delivered 36% - 61% of the THC in the sample.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_2004-1) A more recent study using pure cannabinoid preparations achieved a maximum of 54%.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2) For comparison, studies of cannabis cigarettes smoked via a smoking machine under varying conditions of puff duration and air speed found very similar efficiencies of 34% to 61%. Consequently, users can achieve the desired effect with a similar amount of material as when smoking.
In a 2001 study testing a device called the M1 Volatizer,[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_2001-3) the researchers found that "it is possible to vaporize medically active THC by heating marijuana to a temperature short of the point of combustion, thereby eliminating or substantially reducing harmful smoke toxins that are normally present in marijuana smoke." The M1 Volatizer, produced THC at a temperature of 185°C (365°F), while eliminating three measured combustion products, benzene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene), toluene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene) and naphthalene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphthalene). Carbon monoxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide) and smoke tars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar) were also reduced, but not quantified.
These positive results are in contrast to MAPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAPS)/NORML (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORML)'s previous studies into vaporizers which found less encouraging results, leading one to the conclusion that the effectiveness of vaporization varies greatly from vaporizer to vaporizer. See Factors affecting vaporizer output (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#Factors_affecting_vaporizer_output) for possible causes of variation.
A 1996 MAPS study[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_1996-4) tested two simple vaporizer models against water pipes and filtered and unfiltered cannabis cigarettes (joints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_%28cannabis%29)). The smoke produced by each was analyzed for solid particulates (tars) and 3 major cannabinoids. The various smoking methods were then rated based on their cannabinoid-to-tar ratio. The two tested vaporizers performed up to 25% better than unfiltered cannabis cigarettes (second best) in terms of tar delivery. However, both vaporizers produced more than ten times more tars than cannabinoids, which may partly be attributable to the low potency (2.3%) of the NIDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIDA)-supplied cannabis used in the study. Surprisingly, the same study found that water pipes (bongs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bongs)) and filtered cigarettes performed 30% worse than regular, unfiltered joints. The reason was that waterpipes and filters filter out psychoactive THC with the tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study did not, however, rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out harmful gases such as carbon monoxide.
These studies have not measured the presence of toxic gases, such as ammonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia), hydrogen cyanide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide) and carbon monoxide, though previous studies have indicated unquantified decreases in carbon monoxide with vaporization.
Although vaporizers produce cleaner vapors than smoking, they do not completely eliminate respiratory irritation. A puff of strong vaporized cannabis will occasionally cause coughing. This however, could be due to THC itself, which is known to have a strong expectorant effect.

[Ari Bolden]

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaporizer&action=edit&section=5)] Vaporizer effectiveness

The wide range of results from tests of different vaporizers suggest that the choice of vaporizer is a major factor in determining extraction and delivery efficiency as well as the amount of harmful byproducts produced, or not produced, as in the case of a superior system. In Cannabis and many other medicinal plants, the components responsible for the aromatic nature of the plant will often vaporize at a low-end temperature in the range of extraction temperature values for all the bioactive components. In Cannabis, the temperature range across which the actives will vaporize is at least 56°C (132°F) starting at around 127°C (260°F) where only aromatic compounds of minimal bioactivity will release and going all the way up to 200°C (392°F) with the higher end of this range representing where the cannabinoids of higher bioactivity appear to be released. It is believed that both the total amount of actives delivered as well as the breadth of spectrum delivered per inhalation is critical in determining the value of the delivered dose and, in turn, systems that deliver the highest amount of actives and broadest spectrum of actives per inhalation are believed to be the most effective for medicinal applications: i.e. venturi enhanced extraction / convection based systems.
Proposed factors affecting output include:[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Gieringer_2004-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2)
Temperature
Specimen density
Weight, content of water and essential oils
Consistency of material in the filling chamber
Variety and potency of cannabis used
Different preparations such as crude flower tops, hashish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish), hash oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil), etc.
Storage time of the vapor
Proportion of THC exhaled (breathing technique)Not all those have been scientifically tested. Research using the vaporizer found the delivery efficiency highest at around 226°C (439°F), falling to about half efficiency at 150°C (302°F) to 180°C (356°F) degrees depending on material.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2) The purest preparations produced the highest efficiencies, about 54% for pure THC versus 29% for plant material (female flower tops) with 12% THCA (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=THCA&action=edit&redlink=1) content. Besides THC, several other cannabinoids as well as a range of other plant components including terpenoids were detected in the plant material. Using pure THC in the Volcano Vaporizer, no degradation products (delta-8-THC (D8-THC), cannabinol (CBN), or unknown compounds were detected by HPLC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPLC) analysis.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2)
The longer vapor is stored, the more of the THC is lost as it condenses on the surface of the vaporizer or the balloon. This loss may be negligible over a few minutes but may exceed 50% after 90 minutes.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2)
Interestingly, the Leiden Univsersity study[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer#cite_note-Hazekamp_2006-2) found that as much as 30%–40% of inhaled THC was not absorbed by the lungs and simply exhaled. However, they did not find large individual differences in the amounts exhaled.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaporizer&action=edit&section=6)] Byproducts of vaporized cannabis

Unlike the black ashes produced by burning plants, the byproducts of vaporization are usually brown. The vaporized remains of cannabis may still contain THC or any number of the other 60 cannabinoids found in the plant that may not be vaporizable. It is possible to extract these cannabinoids using a number of methods, including cooking, making a tincture, or re-vaporizing. It is also possible to smoke these remains and gain a mild psychoactive effect, but the negative health effects typically leave this option as a last resort for someone seeking a high.

THERE...don't say we don't help you waste hours of your day here...we are family after all.

Note: Never used one!

[JayC]

In order to become addicted you have to start...

That was my point.

I'm guessing the reason people start smoking is because they think it looks cool. Surely nobody thinks it's actually clever.

[flying gogo-plata]

I'm guessing the reason people start smoking is because they think it looks cool. Surely nobody thinks it's actually clever.

i started because i'm usually very impulsive and i'm all about instant gratification, my thoughts were: i'll probably end up with cancer by the time i'm 50, but it'll help right now, i think the stress relieving properties of smoking are what keep people smoking after the first time until nicotine addiction sets in, i doubt it's to look cool because in this day and age most people are turned off smoking because of the health risks

[flying gogo-plata]

so would a hookah count as a vaporizer?

[Eric?!]

I Smoke And I've Been Smoking For Twenty Plus Years Now?!

Yes, The Smoking Has An Effect On My Cardio And At Times When I Roll (When I Have The Time To Do So), Thats Why I Carry A GLOCK 17...;)

[PacificFlows]

Smoking bad...any way you cut it. That includes weed when you smoke it as well.

Bad for lungs. Bad for cardio. Makes you stink too.

right. there's much better ways to "make trial of" the good herb than smoking it. it's probably the crudest way of going about it, actually.

[Eric?!]

right. there's much better ways to "make trial of" the good herb than smoking it. it's probably the crudest way of going about it, actually.

To Some It's The "SPICE OF LIFE"?!

[the viking clan 777]

smokers are jokers!!!!!unless its p c p that would give you great grappling stramina

[Shonuff]

This entire thread just makes me shake my head...

:rolleyes:

[PacificFlows]

smokers are jokers!!!!!unless its p c p that would give you great grappling stramina

yeah. pcp is probably the best bet.

love that stuff before competition.

[JayC]

Stamina, and brain damage.

[georgetteo]

FlyingGogo, I sympathize with your issues regarding finding a med that works for you. It's a shame that you felt smoking was the best route for you to take, but I don't judge you.

That aside-- and as a comment to the rest of the smokers out there-- UGH! Please quit! You really have no idea how easily a nonsmoker can tell you're coming, how bad it is for some of us to ride in elevators with you or sit near you on a train, much less to ROLL with you. It's just plain nasty. My parents smoked all their lives (until they were diagnosed with lung cancer) but I won't even get into the OBVIOUS reasons why you shouldn't smoke. Just from an aesthetic perspective, everything you touch will smell and it will come out of your pores and lungs, even if you are freshly showered and teeth brushed, etc. It gets to the point where rolling with a smoker gives me a migraine just from the smell, so I won't do it any more.

I'm a scuba diver as well, and soooo many divers smoke. In answer to the original question regarding cardio-- smoking negatively affects your cardio of course! It reduces O2 concentration and increases CO2 saturation. If you're curious, check out the DAN website (Divers Alert Network) where some studies on the subject are cited.

[Ryan]

FlyingGogo, I sympathize with your issues regarding finding a med that works for you. It's a shame that you felt smoking was the best route for you to take, but I don't judge you.

That aside-- and as a comment to the rest of the smokers out there-- UGH! Please quit! You really have no idea how easily a nonsmoker can tell you're coming, how bad it is for some of us to ride in elevators with you or sit near you on a train, much less to ROLL with you. It's just plain nasty. My parents smoked all their lives (until they were diagnosed with lung cancer) but I won't even get into the OBVIOUS reasons why you shouldn't smoke. Just from an aesthetic perspective, everything you touch will smell and it will come out of your pores and lungs, even if you are freshly showered and teeth brushed, etc. It gets to the point where rolling with a smoker gives me a migraine just from the smell, so I won't do it any more.

I'm a scuba diver as well, and soooo many divers smoke. In answer to the original question regarding cardio-- smoking negatively affects your cardio of course! It reduces O2 concentration and increases CO2 saturation. If you're curious, check out the DAN website (Divers Alert Network) where some studies on the subject are cited.

I agree, smoking is nasty. My mom died of cancer so I know what you mean. You can smell a smoker from a long way off. I also helped Ohio become smoke free in public places by getting hundreds of signatures.

[georgetteo]

Ryan, that's awesome! Austin's been smoke-free for a couple years now and it's wonderful -- I can go out to hear a band or have a drink and not come home reeking and headachey.

Just got back from Thailand, btw, which of course with all the tourists, Asians etc has lots and lots of smokers. I spent some time in two muay thai/BJJ gyms and watched some dudes hacking up a lung, smoking, and then going into the ring and beating people up pretty nicely. So I wondered, how kick-a$$ would they have been with healthy lungs full of O2?

[Ryan]

Ryan, that's awesome! Austin's been smoke-free for a couple years now and it's wonderful -- I can go out to hear a band or have a drink and not come home reeking and headachey.

Just got back from Thailand, btw, which of course with all the tourists, Asians etc has lots and lots of smokers. I spent some time in two muay thai/BJJ gyms and watched some dudes hacking up a lung, smoking, and then going into the ring and beating people up pretty nicely. So I wondered, how kick-a$$ would they have been with healthy lungs full of O2?

Hope you had fun!

Have you ever seen the walls of a home of a smoker? Yellow. I had to clean the smoking break room about 10 years ago at work and I used to write things on the wall and the words were actually visible since the walls were such a rich yellow.