How does a throw work?

[Andy]

Ari, I have always wondered how a throw works, especially those which involve only grabbing the wrist and turning it. Can you just throw someone if you can get their wrist into a joint lock and twist it further causing their body to go twist towards that direction as well? I really don't understand it. And if it's possible, would you be able to sort of show a demostration of some sort that shows how you can make a throw work / possible?

For instance.. are there any key points into making any throw successful or even possible? Meaning if I were to apply those same key points into any situation or area, it would work?

Thanks,
Andy

[Ryan]

The throws I have seen or done, either in Judo or wrestling have all been either momentum throws, meaning the person had some momentum coming at me or they have all been leverage throws meaning the person was just in a perfect position.

[prodigypenn]

joint throws and locks r prety much the basis of aikido, if u grab sum1s wrist and turn it in the wrong direction, they have 2 choices, either go with it and get thrown, or stand there and take it, and risk breaking their arm

[Ari Bolden]

Andy:

The throws (nage waza) are a bit different from judo or wrestling. As pointed out, throws which involve wrist locks or shoulder locks (which are very common in aikido, hapkido, japanese jujutsu systems) are much different than the first ones I mentioned.

First, turning wrist locks and shoulder locks (like kotegaeshi or shihonage) do work. The reason you see people do spinning turns in mid air is because they have learned and practice breakfalls (something bjj isn't big on). These people are doing breakfalls for 2 reasons: 1) to be able to take the lock at full speed 2) to protect themselves from having the joint broken.

Look at any aikido movie on you tube and you get what I mean. Now, the thing people don't understand is the reason people do this isn't for show (although it looks cool), its to protect themselves. However, those people who have no experience in taking throws, especially the kind I mentioned) do not do break falls.

Beginners fall in the most natural way: They crumple inward and down. I've done these joint locks on resisting, non martial art persons at full power. They don't do spinning break falls in the air. They crumple at full speed toward the ground and the joint gets wrecked. It isn't pretty but real martial arts and technique isn't supposed to be.

Understanding the principle behind the moves is important. Gross motor skill is king in the street fight. Anytime I've had a real fight, it's smash first (create an openning) and then, use the most simple lock or throw to achieve your desired effect.

[Andy]

Ari, I sent you a PM. :)

[prodigypenn]

Andy:

The throws (nage waza) are a bit different from judo or wrestling. As pointed out, throws which involve wrist locks or shoulder locks (which are very common in aikido, hapkido, japanese jujutsu systems) are much different than the first ones I mentioned.

First, turning wrist locks and shoulder locks (like kotegaeshi or shihonage) do work. The reason you see people do spinning turns in mid air is because they have learned and practice breakfalls (something bjj isn't big on). These people are doing breakfalls for 2 reasons: 1) to be able to take the lock at full speed 2) to protect themselves from having the joint broken.

Look at any aikido movie on you tube and you get what I mean. Now, the thing people don't understand is the reason people do this isn't for show (although it looks cool), its to protect themselves. However, those people who have no experience in taking throws, especially the kind I mentioned) do not do break falls.

Beginners fall in the most natural way: They crumple inward and down. I've done these joint locks on resisting, non martial art persons at full power. They don't do spinning break falls in the air. They crumple at full speed toward the ground and the joint gets wrecked. It isn't pretty but real martial arts and technique isn't supposed to be.

Understanding the principle behind the moves is important. Gross motor skill is king in the street fight. Anytime I've had a real fight, it's smash first (create an openning) and then, use the most simple lock or throw to achieve your desired effect.

QFT and explained much better than i prolly could