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CEB
02-17-2009, 06:32 AM
I logged into YouTube to kick off one of my Music playlist and this video was recommended for me.

What do you think of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PVa0dzKQQ&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Just curious.

BadKarmaRising
02-17-2009, 07:07 AM
I logged into YouTube to kick off one of my Music playlist and this video was recommended for me.

What do you think of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PVa0dzKQQ&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Just curious.

Looks like that right arm could simply be tugged back out. Hard to tell without actually feeling it though.

JayC
02-17-2009, 07:08 AM
I don't see MUCH wrong with it, people are slamming that video on youtube, especially this comment:


Worst rubber guard ive seen on the net. Flaws throughout the entire video. Hand over the leg holding the rubber guard, just WRONG. Even with the leg in the hip you can posture out of that or even push through because you have nothing stopping his right shoulder. That hand to the mat, is Impossible to keep in one place with one hand, must be held close to thier body. Sir you fail at rubber guard, i feel horrible for your students. Horrible for them. Why you may ask. Your a god damn clown.


Now I'm sorry but what's the point of that? This guy is wrong too. In my opinion this Meathook is sloppy with the leg coming through but most of the other things are right. I think the guy "Banercore" was thinking he was using the standard Rubber Guard and just failed with his criticism!

Martin
02-17-2009, 08:55 AM
Comments on youtube really test my faith in humanity. I'm not kidding go on any given video and there is usually always people slagging each other off. Its a haven for haters. Whats it all about?seems like these youtube cats love to hate.

willufc
02-17-2009, 09:12 AM
Youtube has got to find a group of people to be moderators... Most the things you'll find in the comment are trash talks and nonsense... That's also happening in many forums.

CEB
02-17-2009, 10:17 AM
Comments on youtube really test my faith in humanity. I'm not kidding go on any given video and there is usually always people slagging each other off. Its a haven for haters. Whats it all about?seems like these youtube cats love to hate.

Amonimity lends itself to that sort of behavior.

My other forum requires everyone to post with their real full name and most us know each other or at least know somebody who knows somebody that knows each other.

A weak man tears downs other men to give himself a feeling of superiority.

CEB
02-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Looks like that right arm could simply be tugged back out. Hard to tell without actually feeling it though.

That is what I was sort of thinking but wasn't sure. It looks to me there is a big passing lane in the right side of the guy's guard. I'm looking at how he sets the the left hand grip, how he secures the opponents arm and where he put the blocking foot. Maybe the postion is fluid enough he can track and keep the pass in check...... I have no idea though. I don't know the position.

The hip position is interesting it is different from what little I have tried to play within the Rubber guard complex.

AJ
02-17-2009, 10:58 AM
i can never tell the effectiveness from these videos. they always do things at demo speed and 5% squeeze. i mean, sure you can lose New York if the timing is right and you increase the thigh squeeze but do I have enough squeeze to be effective with this modified move?

i haven no clue, subjectivity is cruel.

so i guess the only criticism is that this guy should have expected the rubber guard zealots to chime in and should have accounted for it in his explanation.

MatzeOne
02-17-2009, 01:03 PM
I prefer using a proper pyramid position with an left overhook (instead of the meathook) and my right knee in front of my opponent left shoulder. I don't really like the finish of the triangle (armdrag o.O), too.

Herm
02-17-2009, 04:58 PM
Like MatzeOne said, the meathook is a bad choice here because the opponent can usually pull the arm out that is trapped. It's much better to overhook the trapped arm OR if you have a really good squeeze keep hugging the knee (like in New York).

JayC
02-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Damn, I didn't realise he was in New York!

PacificFlows
02-17-2009, 06:12 PM
That looked to me like a mixture of the pyramid and meat hook from new york. it's like... doing both things, half-assedly, at once. It would seem wiser to just do one or the other. Pyramid is an excellent option. I just never have much success with the meat hook. Just kind of use it to distract.

First thing I noticed is how the hand was in no way trapped to the mat. Maybe it was just for demonstration purposes that he was not clinching everything properly, but it came off as just sloppy technique.

carl86
02-17-2009, 06:35 PM
hard to tell,.. but the opponent can pop out that right hand, its like new york, but not that effective just hugging the knee in that way.. some sort of mission control? with the triangle?

IonZone
02-17-2009, 07:19 PM
The whole demo was WAY too loose he better be able to lock those moves way down or the opponent is just going too slide right out.

I really didn't see anything that looked like he was controlling the opponent.

JamesB
02-18-2009, 08:26 AM
also, because he isnt hugging his knee there is nothing stopping the guy in his guard from just walking round anti-clockwise and passing

JamesB
02-18-2009, 08:26 AM
he could probably knee bar him as well

jbrentsmith
02-18-2009, 11:39 AM
Um you dont have to get New York to get to meat hook. So theres really no arguement about hugging the knee and keeping it tight on the left side cause it doesnt matter if the hand is on the chest or mat. Im assuming hes not doing it tight because he is only demonstrating it but thats only an assumption. And no it would be dumb to try to pass to the side cause youre just gonna get triangled faster and depending on how tight the meathook is there is absolutely no kneebar opportunity there. I train at a leglock school so i would have been hit with it a million times cause i use the meathook alot.

jbrentsmith
02-18-2009, 11:43 AM
Props to him for spreading the 10th planet lovin even if hes not an affiliate. Cause we all know theres a bunch of haters out there.

Ari Bolden
02-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Meh...its really not THAT bad to be honest...but that is just me.

Hadaka Jime
02-18-2009, 06:19 PM
looks like it'd work a lot better in Gi grappling, because they would be able to maintain there posture w/ that grip, but other wise it'd be to easy to posture up and break the guard, but like i said it looks like it'd be great for the gi