Aggressive Fighters Help

[supermn]

I just lost an MMA fight yesterday. I am pretty good a rubber guard and jiu jitsu in general. But I never had a chance to prove it. My opponent was really aggressive with punches and kicks. I took him down and he got me in the guillotine, but I escaped. Then we stood back up and he punched me and the ref stopped it. How can you fight an aggressive fighter? Should I try and get in clinch right away or get a take down early? We are gonna rematch in the Spring.

[MatzeOne]

A video might help. Is he just aggressive or aggressive AND skillful?

[supermn]

He knew the basics of striking. I will try and get a video soon. He pretty much came at me really fast with hooks. I played defense the whole time.

[Tagg1080]

heh, one of the principles of kenpo is that each block must also be a strike, or very close to one, because even grandmasters cannot just block

at the instant you are hit, you think of nothing but blocking, so to break their chain, u MUST hit them back, defending will only get you beaten.


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[younwha]

Yeah a video will be great if you want advice... It's hard to know - were they clean boxers hooks, or sloppy amateur bar fighter hooks lol Many times people throw huge overhands and consider them hooks... if you train long enough, and have enough balls, take downs are really great against these sorts of punches. How much of your training is focused on take downs? You make it seem as though your main focus is ground (jiu jitsu, and rubber guard) if that is your strong point you need to know many ways to get the fight to where you want it.

I can ramble all day unless there is a video lol

[prodigypenn]

how good was his wrestling skills? if they are outpunching you, go low, and clinch up for a takedown, or move to a thai climch, and work knees and elbows

[Ryan]

Yeah a video will be great if you want advice... It's hard to know - were they clean boxers hooks, or sloppy amateur bar fighter hooks lol Many times people throw huge overhands and consider them hooks... if you train long enough, and have enough balls, take downs are really great against these sorts of punches. How much of your training is focused on take downs? You make it seem as though your main focus is ground (jiu jitsu, and rubber guard) if that is your strong point you need to know many ways to get the fight to where you want it.

I can ramble all day unless there is a video lol

I wouldn't necessarily call not going for a takedown in that situation "not having balls". He may have just been overwhelmed or hurt by a single or a combination of punches.

You do have a point though with concentrating on the ground game. I have seen guys say they want to win their match via armbar and yet lose because their tunnel vision on the armbar allowed them to miss ending the fight when another move was there.

I would love to win a fight (street or otherwise) by a sweet submission/arm break but if I can do it with a punch then great...... Submission my be your bread and butter but if you can throw in a little jelly and knock them out then don't be afraid to wipe off the knife before dipping it in another jar.

lol. bad analogy but you get my drift :)

[spud]

[QUOTE=Ryan;51725]I wouldn't necessarily call not going for a takedown in that situation "not having balls". He may have just been overwhelmed or hurt by a single or a combination of punches.

I dont think he is referring to that actual situation. He asks what type of punches they were & says he cant comment without seeing a video. He is generalising in his remarks not saying the guy doesnt have balls.
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[Dr Sick]

Way to get in there and challenge yourself man! Not everyone has the stones to fight. There are so many ways to look at the question you asked.

I've heard Professor Sauer's Students say, "In this gym, there are no winners and losers, only winners and learners." Sounds like you've been given a valuable opportunity to learn.

There are short term answers to your question and long term ones. The short term answers are like band-aid fixes and eventually will be overcome by high level fighters. So I'll focus my response on the bigger picture.

In my humble opinion, if your troubles stem from the aggressive punches and kicks thrown by your opponent, you need to find a qualified striking or MMA instructor and start working on your MMA striking game.

I see a lot of people who equate grappling/submission skill with fighting skill. It's only one part of the equation (as it seems you've found out), a very important one albeit but still only part. I heard Will Bernales once say, "We use our jiu-jitsu in fighting, but we don't fight with jiu-jitsu"

If I came to you with a similar question and said, I was boxing this guy up and then he just took me down and overwhelmed me with submission chains until the ref stopped the fight because he said my leg was going to break; What would you suggest I do? Work more on my takedown defense and ground game.

Striking is no less of a science with no fewer set ups and just as sophisticated system of logic. I've heard so many guys say that they've been working a lot on their boxing, and by that they mean, they've been hitting a heavy bag. That's like saying I've been working on my grappling by squeezing a pillow as hard as I can.

In the striking realm there are so many things you can do. Circle your feet and evade his charge. Use an entry into the clinch/prumb. Cut an angle and counter. And from grappling you can lower your level and shoot.

Not so long ago, on a different forum, people were discussing how one could possibly beat Chuck Liddell. Over and over, people came up with new and inventive grappling solutions to the problem and none of them ever worked. Chuck knew that all his opponents were trying to do was take him down and work the mat. All of his defense was dedicated to stopping that particular type of attack and thus, he was able to make it very difficult to effect those types of tactics. It was only when his opponents thought about how to out strike Chuck that the chinks in his armor began to appear.

MMA is MMA, it's not grappling, or Boxing or Muay Thai, nor is it a combination thereof, it is it's own sport with its own nuances and dynamics. Grappling is a great system. I love it and train in it every day. But I also work striking, clinching and takedowns with the same intensity and frequency. If you can't take someone down, you ain't gonna grapple much. And if you can out strike a grappling dependent fighter you can take advantage of that weakness.

I'm not trying to lecture you here. I applaud your courage and fighting spirit. I've taken my lumps in the ring as well. I'm no expert. I'm just passionate about the striking arts and how they compliment grappling in the MMA equation. I wish you the best and hope you do well in your rematch. If there is anything that I can do to be of service, please let me know.

[Tallsilkyslim]

In the 100 or so amateur MMA fights i have seen, I would say that 90 percent of the time, the more aggressive fighter ends up winning. I think a big part of this is that the fighter that goes in their with the intent of hurting the other person badly, generally does.

I can certainly relate to you, Supermn. I too like the jits part of the game but seem to end up being the less aggressive of the two fighters. I think that working on your confidence, so that you can come out of the gates ready to fight, is key to success.

[cuzz63]

Why did the ref stop the fight? Were you out on your feet?

[supermn]

here are the videos there are 2 parts. i was overwhelmed with punches. i looks like i got destroyed but most of his punches missed. only the last 2 or 3 got me and it was called at tko. but i was still on my feet. we will rematch soon. any advice is appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVIbqqx6sHE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyljItbBMoU&feature=channel

[younwha]

Well yeah you got overwhelmed. For one reason you got overwhelmed, well two actually. One you're not a striker and that was pretty apparent. I'm not bashing on you don't take it the wrong way. It takes balls to fight... 99 percent of people wouldn't do it. The second reason you got overwhelmed is that your space was very limited. There was a point that you were looking for a very weak double leg when the clinch would have been a prime choice. Against a guy that swings for the fences - you can dominate him in the clinch and easily take him down.

That's just one suggestion. I won't go on forever - I'm sure others will give some tips as well. Kudos for actually doing it. I don't know if this was your first time or not but it's easier the second or third time trust me. Practice your striking, head movement (defense), intercepting, and take downs so you can get the fight where you want it.

[Dr Sick]

Man,

I just watched your clips and I'm glad you posted them. Please don't take this the wrong way. I am thinking of your best interests and the best interests of the sport I love (MMA).

Don't take the re-match fight unless it's in a sanctioned, organized promotion. I'll bet there were no paramedics or anyone with any emergency medical expertise on the premises. It looked as if the fight occurred at a house party and I'll put $20.00 down that says there were under agers there drinking. Why is this an important observation?

Because if you get your neck broken, there's going to be some hesitation and trepidation about calling the cops, or the ambulance or anyone of that nature because Billy Beer Goggles doesn't want to get caught drinking or smokin weed and that may make the difference between you living and dying.

On top of that, there didn't seem to be any padding on the floor, and I'll bet neither of you had to pass a pre-fight medical exam.

Now, you go and get paralyzed or killed, and it's not just you that's going to pay. It's the whole MMA community.

I sincerely hope that you listen to what I am saying and take it only as one human being that cares about your welfare and for the sport of MMA. If you can find an organized promotion to fight this kid in, then go for it. Otherwise, try to see the bigger picture.


Best Wishes,

Khuen Khru Brian Yamasaki
Head Instructor Mushin Self Defense/Fighter Corps
Thai Boxing Association of the USA, State of Utah, Bountiful Representative
Combat Submission Wrestling Coach

[Herm]

Man,

I just watched your clips and I'm glad you posted them. Please don't take this the wrong way. I am thinking of your best interests and the best interests of the sport I love (MMA).

Don't take the re-match fight unless it's in a sanctioned, organized promotion. I'll bet there were no paramedics or anyone with any emergency medical expertise on the premises. It looked as if the fight occurred at a house party and I'll put $20.00 down that says there were under agers there drinking. Why is this an important observation?

Because if you get your neck broken, there's going to be some hesitation and trepidation about calling the cops, or the ambulance or anyone of that nature because Billy Beer Goggles doesn't want to get caught drinking or smokin weed and that may make the difference between you living and dying.

On top of that, there didn't seem to be any padding on the floor, and I'll bet neither of you had to pass a pre-fight medical exam.

Now, you go and get paralyzed or killed, and it's not just you that's going to pay. It's the whole MMA community.

I sincerely hope that you listen to what I am saying and take it only as one human being that cares about your welfare and for the sport of MMA. If you can find an organized promotion to fight this kid in, then go for it. Otherwise, try to see the bigger picture.


Best Wishes,

Khuen Khru Brian Yamasaki
Head Instructor Mushin Self Defense/Fighter Corps
Thai Boxing Association of the USA, State of Utah, Bountiful Representative
Combat Submission Wrestling Coach

QFT Dr. Sick... QFT

[Ryan]

Wow, first of all, don't ever fight like that again. Please. You seem like you were the only one in the room that was on your side. Everyone else was making fun of you and your shirt. Since it didn't look like anyone was there to support you it wouldn't surprise me if something were to happen to you that they wouldn't hesitate to dispose of you improperly to avoid any kind of trouble. I am saying this because I care about you and this sport and shit like this gives it a bad name. Get some more training and get involved in a real organization where you have proper paramedics, room to fight and a sanctioning body to oversee the rules and safety.


A note about the fighting, you might have been better off if you had more room and yes he overwhelmed you but you could have changed levels and gone for a takedown.

[Martin]

The above points are very good and i can only reiterate them. Only partake in MMA matches that are 100% legit.
Respect for having the balls to fight.

[MatzeOne]

What Dr. Sick and Ryan said...

They are right.

A note from my side to the fight.
I've seen a lot of more aggressive fighters, but he was all over you. You turned your back towards him several times. Don't do it!
The punch that you won't see knocks you out. And that's not a good thing, especially in this "organization". You know what I mean when you read the previous comments about safe environment and crowd.

It's hard to tell if his boxing was better, because I haven't seen you strike. But you have to know at least some basics in boxing.
I wouldn't even care about a rematch now. He was really much better. His guillotine sucked, but he did enough and the stoppage was okay. Because you were punished the whole time, even if you were not really hurt (you're lucky) the stoppage was good for you. At that time you had nothing against him. I'm writing this, because I like the people including you here.

So here is my advice, it's up to you if you take it.
Train Muay Thai, some Wrestling (not just for the takedowns but for your mind as well) and of course some sort of Jiu Jitsu seriously and mix it up all together several days a week. Spare a lot with some quality training partners. If you are prepared take some amateur fights in serious organization and take the rematch in a year.

Good luck to you!

[MatzeOne]

Dude… wtf is this?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kctw6GdkgJU&feature=channel

This IS a party or what?

[Martin]

I dont like it how people refer to these kind of things as MMA matches. Its basically an undignified brawl with gloves

[supermn]

me and my friends have fight nights about once a month. the parents were home, and no drinking was going on. we had gloves and mouth guards. that wasn't my first fight. my record is 12-3. i just recently learned rubber guard and wanted to try it out. but i had no chance during that fight. i ended up winning 2 other fights that same night. those 2 weren't aggressive so i beat them. but thanks for the advice everyone, i understand what you mean.

[MatzeOne]

me and my friends have fight nights about once a month. the parents were home, and no drinking was going on. we had gloves and mouth guards. that wasn't my first fight. my record is 12-3. i just recently learned rubber guard and wanted to try it out. but i had no chance during that fight. i ended up winning 2 other fights that same night. those 2 weren't aggressive so i beat them. but thanks for the advice everyone, i understand what you mean.

If you really understand it, just don't claim you have a 12-3 record. I've seen your other posts and videos on youtube as well. You might run into other (I won't say "real") MMA fighters who are offended of your "record". This is a slap into the face of a serious fighter. Just think about it.

[Adam]

Yes i must say that this is what we don't want people to see, it makes MMA look bad .
Looks like a bunch of young hoons who don't really have idea what there doing.
Its a huge accident just waiting to happen, please be safe and if u where you , i would look to train and fight in a legit place or comp..
Its like a fight club or something ?

[Tallsilkyslim]

A link to the videos would be great Matzeone.

And fyi its not counted on a record unless it has a sanctioning body. :)

[supermn]

the other fights on that youtube channel are not me. only the one in this post is. my youtube channel is jobradovic. i have my fights on there. most of them are submission grappling.

[gooch]

here are the videos there are 2 parts. i was overwhelmed with punches. i looks like i got destroyed but most of his punches missed. only the last 2 or 3 got me and it was called at tko. but i was still on my feet. we will rematch soon. any advice is appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVIbqqx6sHE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyljItbBMoU&feature=channel

i won't say anything about the "what the hell are you doing fighting at a party" cause it's been covered

but as for your original question

-punch him back

his technique was pretty bad and you could have crushed him with a nice stright right up the middle

[willufc]

here are the videos there are 2 parts. i was overwhelmed with punches. i looks like i got destroyed but most of his punches missed. only the last 2 or 3 got me and it was called at tko. but i was still on my feet. we will rematch soon. any advice is appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVIbqqx6sHE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyljItbBMoU&feature=channel

Hey man... I'm really sorry to say this but I have to. It's for you. The only advice I can give you now is don't do the rematch... You would just hurt yourself.

Maybe do it when you really have the best training and do it not on a party but with a sanctioning body.

[Tallsilkyslim]

I dont like it how people refer to these kind of things as MMA matches. Its basically an undignified brawl with gloves

I just finally watched the videos. Here is my new advice....

You really need to get into a school that trains for MMA, and also only fight in a real cage or ring, not in basements. This whole thing reminds me of Never Back Down.

I quoted Martin's post because i am in full agreeance. ;)

[Ryan]

If my kid was at a party like this and the fucking parents were THERE then me and that kids' parents would be throwing down. That is bullshit and it needs to be turned in. Its one thing if the parents were away for the night and the kids snuck everyone over but them being there is totally irresponsible parenting.

[willufc]

If my kid was at a party like this and the fucking parents were THERE then me and that kids' parents would be throwing down. That is bullshit and it needs to be turned in. Its one thing if the parents were away for the night and the kids snuck everyone over but them being there is totally irresponsible parenting.

Sometimes parents just put too much trust in their children...:D

And some people can act differently in the face of their parents but too far away when they're not. Hard to trust people sometimes. But the wounds and bruises could basically some up everything that had happened for parents to take notice of their parenting.

[Ryan]

Sometimes parents just put too much trust in their children...:D

And some people can act differently in the face of their parents but too far away when they're not. Hard to trust people sometimes. But the wounds and bruises could basically some up everything that had happened for parents to take notice of their parenting.

First of all, I have never been in a house so big that the parents wouldn't have been able to hear that many kids yelling and screaming while watching a fight and not be curious as to what is going on. If this happens on a regular basis it makes me question the other parents as well.

[younwha]

Eh? Idk why everyone is getting so worked up about it lol We use to do this in college. At least until the few of us from kickboxing started really hurting people - then we went to "Friday night fight night" at the strip club with a cage lol

[MatzeOne]

Eh? Idk why everyone is getting so worked up about it lol We use to do this in college. At least until the few of us from kickboxing started really hurting people - then we went to "Friday night fight night" at the strip club with a cage lol

Did you also claim you're 1x-x in MMA at that time?

[Martin]

Eh? Idk why everyone is getting so worked up about it lol We use to do this in college. At least until the few of us from kickboxing started really hurting people - then we went to "Friday night fight night" at the strip club with a cage lol


I think people are getting worked up becuase something serious could happen and there is no one qualified there to deal with it. It would be bad for our little forum chum and MMA as a whole. Both of which people on here care about.

[willufc]

First of all, I have never been in a house so big that the parents wouldn't have been able to hear that many kids yelling and screaming while watching a fight and not be curious as to what is going on. If this happens on a regular basis it makes me question the other parents as well.

Must be when the parents are out of town or something... I don't know, I dont really attend parties. I enjoy sitting in a silent cocktail bar or a coffee shop and smoke some cigarrettes alone than going to parties except in our dorm.

And I think we have different concept of parties here and there.

Martin:
That definitely is the issue here man. Those fights are not supervised by someone who knows what to do if something happens. That could even end up in a brawl with everyone. No security or anything but the people there watching.

For the the original post:
You should really do MMA with someone who is legit and fight in shows which are legit after properly training. Just a word of advice.

[Ryan]

Must be when the parents are out of town or something... I don't know, I dont really attend parties. I enjoy sitting in a silent cocktail bar or a coffee shop and smoke some cigarrettes alone than going to parties except in our dorm.

And I think we have different concept of parties here and there.

.

He said the parents were at the party.

[Ryan]

Eh? Idk why everyone is getting so worked up about it lol We use to do this in college. At least until the few of us from kickboxing started really hurting people - then we went to "Friday night fight night" at the strip club with a cage lol

First off, what they are doing is illegal. Second, there isn't enough space to adequately fight. Third, it is a fight with what looks like underage high schoolers where no paramedic is present. Forth, if something happens to him who will call the squad? They are at a person's home so someone would get in trouble because it is at a location.... now, if it were in some alley or empty lot then they could call the squad and then leave the location.

It is kind of disturbing to me that you would ask what the big deal is. Especially since you went to college.

[willufc]

He said the parents were at the party.

Ooops... Sorry. Never read that. Must have skipped it...:o

Those kind of fights creates Kimbos.

[younwha]

Did you also claim you're 1x-x in MMA at that time?

lol no - after moving on from that going to something actually bodied by an organization I got my ass royally kicked in my third fight by a golden gloves boxer :D

[younwha]

It is kind of disturbing to me that you would ask what the big deal is. Especially since you went to college.

Maybe it's just hard for me to realize that someone would get seriously hurt. Considering we had fights twice a week at Uni - usually about 5 fights each time. So over the span of the year we had quite a few fights without serious injury, aside from broken nose, ankles etc...

[willufc]

Maybe it's just hard for me to realize that someone would get seriously hurt. Considering we had fights twice a week at Uni - usually about 5 fights each time. So over the span of the year we had quite a few fights without serious injury, aside from broken nose, ankles etc...

Having not have a serious injury yet does not mean it could never happen. Even with so much preparation there are still many things which had happened like that of Corey Hill, the Paul Saunders fight, Cro Cop's ankle and others. Well there are times that you can say that you must learn the hard way but in terms of fighting you should just back off without proper considerations.

The UFC has got experts with "Cut" and "Stitch" and other paramedics to ensure the fighter's health. This implies:

"Do not try this at home."

[thedogwave]

wow, i'll spare you the talk about what a bad idea this was. it seems everyone has went over that already. that space was WAY too small to fight and since it was just people standing around it didn't really allow you to work a cage or ropes. i know i could never fight if there was a possibility of hurting someone who wasn't even involved. as far as his striking goes i didn't really see anything great. he just had a lot of opportunities because you kept turning your head and just backing up rather than circling or using movement. i'm not at all talking shit about your fighting ability, that video really didn't show enough for anyone to judge. fighting guys who just throw everything into every punch is always scary. my advice is pretty much the same as everyone else. if you like jits and mma get into a good gym where you can roll and spar a lot. fighting in a basement is a bad look. we don't want mma to start looking like "backyard wrestling".

[Smitaay]

As far as advice on the fight, I think these guys covered a lot, and you would be wise to take their advice to only fight in sanctioned events with paramedics and proper safety.

I would absolutely re-iterate that you didn't have enough freakin' room. Take it outside in the back yard, or whatever, if you insist on fighting like that. (I am in no way recommending backyard fighting, basement fighting, rooftop fighting, flagpole fighting, SUV-top fighting, or any other type of fighting that makes you look stupid on Youtube. I'm just saying, if you are gonna be silly, at least be silly and smart. No animals were hurt during this disclaimer.)

The way to fight that wild and crazy swinging crap that people do is to get out of the way of it. If you stand there and swing back, it's a 50-50 chance that you'll get knocked out. One of you two hoodlums will connect. That's not boxing. Not at all. Someone talked about cutting angles and countering, and such. That is boxing. Never stand and go toe to toe with the other guy. Again, all you're doing is rolling the dice on that.

If you're only going to grapple when you fight, that is fine. The knuckleheads you're fighting aren't Chuck Liddel. You can take them down. Royce did that in the early days of UFC. Some of his shots were pretty bad, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, but at the time, he cleaned everyone's clock, and took down some huge freakin' guys. Learn a few takedowns that DON'T involve you stickin' your head under his arm so you can get Guillotined.

Honestly, in that basement you were in, you didn't stand a chance. He would just wail on you and you couldn't get away.

So, if you are going to re-match him, and I'm about 90% sure that you will, cause you're young and we all did stupid stuff when we were young, then don't do it in limited space like that. When you do it with a lot of space, then you just back up when he comes at you. Circle AWAY from his power hand, which is his right. That means you circle to YOUR right. If you circle left, he's gonna catch you and it's going to hurt, and Superman doesn't like to get hurt. He will keep coming at you like an idiot, and that's when you change levels for the takedown. If you get caught in that Guillotine, DEFEND THE FREAKIN' CHOKE! That means you grab the hand that is trying to crush your esophagus. You don't keep punching, you don't do anything except get out of that choke. Just because a retarded chimpanzee can learn the Guillotine in 4 seconds doesn't mean it's not an effective choke. How many UFC fighters get tapped by that choke? It happens all the time, doesn't it. You have got to defend that choke when you get caught in it. Or, better yet, don't get caught in it. I've completely abandoned the double leg takedown for the sole reason that if I screw it up just a little, the Guillotine is there for the taking. Do a Youtube search for Osoto-Gari for the takedown that I attempt, now, if you want my advice on a good, safe takedown.

Anyway, when you get him down, then he's in your world. Don't let him up, use your Jiu Jitsu at that point. And get a couple of friends there to cheer you on. haha

P.S. I'm sure other people will have different (and probably better!) advice than mine, but that's what I would do if I was still young and silly with lots of testosterone to burn. So, that being said... Don't flame me, bro!

[younwha]

lol can't circle when you're fighting in a 5x5 area

[Tallsilkyslim]

As far as advice on the fight, I think these guys covered a lot, and you would be wise to take their advice to only fight in sanctioned events with paramedics and proper safety.

I would absolutely re-iterate that you didn't have enough freakin' room. Take it outside in the back yard, or whatever, if you insist on fighting like that. (I am in no way recommending backyard fighting, basement fighting, rooftop fighting, flagpole fighting, SUV-top fighting, or any other type of fighting that makes you look stupid on Youtube. I'm just saying, if you are gonna be silly, at least be silly and smart. No animals were hurt during this disclaimer.)

The way to fight that wild and crazy swinging crap that people do is to get out of the way of it. If you stand there and swing back, it's a 50-50 chance that you'll get knocked out. One of you two hoodlums will connect. That's not boxing. Not at all. Someone talked about cutting angles and countering, and such. That is boxing. Never stand and go toe to toe with the other guy. Again, all you're doing is rolling the dice on that.

If you're only going to grapple when you fight, that is fine. The knuckleheads you're fighting aren't Chuck Liddel. You can take them down. Royce did that in the early days of UFC. Some of his shots were pretty bad, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, but at the time, he cleaned everyone's clock, and took down some huge freakin' guys. Learn a few takedowns that DON'T involve you stickin' your head under his arm so you can get Guillotined.

Honestly, in that basement you were in, you didn't stand a chance. He would just wail on you and you couldn't get away.

So, if you are going to re-match him, and I'm about 90% sure that you will, cause you're young and we all did stupid stuff when we were young, then don't do it in limited space like that. When you do it with a lot of space, then you just back up when he comes at you. Circle AWAY from his power hand, which is his right. That means you circle to YOUR right. If you circle left, he's gonna catch you and it's going to hurt, and Superman doesn't like to get hurt. He will keep coming at you like an idiot, and that's when you change levels for the takedown. If you get caught in that Guillotine, DEFEND THE FREAKIN' CHOKE! That means you grab the hand that is trying to crush your esophagus. You don't keep punching, you don't do anything except get out of that choke. Just because a retarded chimpanzee can learn the Guillotine in 4 seconds doesn't mean it's not an effective choke. How many UFC fighters get tapped by that choke? It happens all the time, doesn't it. You have got to defend that choke when you get caught in it. Or, better yet, don't get caught in it. I've completely abandoned the double leg takedown for the sole reason that if I screw it up just a little, the Guillotine is there for the taking. Do a Youtube search for Osoto-Gari for the takedown that I attempt, now, if you want my advice on a good, safe takedown.

Anyway, when you get him down, then he's in your world. Don't let him up, use your Jiu Jitsu at that point. And get a couple of friends there to cheer you on. haha

P.S. I'm sure other people will have different (and probably better!) advice than mine, but that's what I would do if I was still young and silly with lots of testosterone to burn. So, that being said... Don't flame me, bro!

Wow...........great post! I hope to see more of these from ya Smitaay *in my drill Sargeant voice*

[MatzeOne]

lol can't circle when you're fighting in a 5x5 area

Of course you can.
On a side note. It's much easier to get a takedown when there's less space.

[Ryan]

Of course you can.
On a side note. It's much easier to get a takedown when there's less space.

I think he is referring to the fact that the 5x5 area wasn't a perfect circle and it wasn't a fixed structure so you would have ended up running into someone had you circled

[supermn]

i hated the small space too, if i had my distance i probably could have got a few kicks in. one of the guys there, his dad owns a health club that has a boxing ring in it, so we are having our next fight night there. the house that we had it at, the mom was a nurse. so everything was under control. we did mma rules, we had gloves and mouthguards, we had a ref, and a nurse. i was just looking for some advice against an aggressive fighter. most of his shots missed. his striking sucked. i just got scared and played defense.

[Tallsilkyslim]

i hated the small space too, if i had my distance i probably could have got a few kicks in. one of the guys there, his dad owns a health club that has a boxing ring in it, so we are having our next fight night there. the house that we had it at, the mom was a nurse. so everything was under control. we did mma rules, we had gloves and mouthguards, we had a ref, and a nurse. i was just looking for some advice against an aggressive fighter. most of his shots missed. his striking sucked. i just got scared and played defense.

I hope in no way you are discouraged after posting and reading this thread. We here all have your best interests in mind. We have nothing to gain or lose here. We just don't want to see you get hurt, nor do we, to be honest, want to see MMA turn into backyard wrestling. Train smart. Fight smarter.

[supermn]

i understand what all you guys mean. a lot of the fights at our fight nights are stupid. most guys that fight know nothing and have no experience. they just fight cause they think they are tough. i actually train in jiu jitsu and 3 other guys train in boxing and karate. i just had a bad fight that day and didn't get to prove what i can do. my next fight will be in 3-4 weeks and will be in a ring. i will post that video, and you guys can see how i do.

[Tallsilkyslim]

i understand what all you guys mean. a lot of the fights at our fight nights are stupid. most guys that fight know nothing and have no experience. they just fight cause they think they are tough. i actually train in jiu jitsu and 3 other guys train in boxing and karate. i just had a bad fight that day and didn't get to prove what i can do. my next fight will be in 3-4 weeks and will be in a ring. i will post that video, and you guys can see how i do.

You seem to have a good attitude, and that alone will take you places. My only other tidbit to reiterate is i personally wouldn't claim an unsanctioned record. ;)

[supermn]

yeah i know, just with my friends i am 12-3. i plan to go amatuer and maybe even pro when i get old enough. i just need to keep practing.

[willufc]

yeah i know, just with my friends i am 12-3. i plan to go amatuer and maybe even pro when i get old enough. i just need to keep practing.

We all wish you well man... And if ever something in here is posted not in your liking its basically because we care... Just constructive criticisms. Just have a proper training in a gym, build a team which includes Kickboxers, wrestlers, purple belts of highers, boxers, or anything legit, and maybe after a year you can go amateur in matches with proper sanctioning...

In that way you can really say you are 1-0, 2-0, 37-0, and the best that you can be... Officially. Wish you well man.

[sodaghost]

Looking forward to the vid for that next fight. A crowded space like that is just bad for everyone involved.