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We all know about the BJJ police. What do you think is their prime motivation? Why do they care so much? What are they scared of?
BadKarmaRising
03-01-2009, 08:23 AM
We all know about the BJJ police. What do you think is their prime motivation? Why do they care so much? What are they scared of?
There's a segment of society that can never find validation internally. Unless everyone else agrees with them, they find themselves struggling with subconcsious feelings of inadequacy. They have a psychological need to have you agree with them and they'll use whatever means they can to bring about that agreement. Bullying, insulting, cajoling.
It doesn't matter if you're talking religion, politics, and even MA training.
zaxonortesus
03-01-2009, 08:32 AM
Outdating... er... Preservation of the sport. People that can only see the way things have been done in the past and are resistant to change are the ones that ultimatly cause the downfall of the sport. I think these people care so much because of their resistance to change. They are happy in their routines and see any infringment on that as a personal attack.
I agree that they are resistant to change. I also think they are like grandparents at Christmas time. The kid in this instance is BJJ and the grandparents are the different sects of the sport such as 10PJJ vs Gracies vs everyone else. Each sect tries to outdo the others trying to prove they are the only way. The winner in this is BJJ as a whole but each sect ruins it by alienating each style.
Does each sect have their own version of the BJJ police? I think so although some are less than others in that capacity.
Is the BJJ police trying to protect BJJ as a sport or as a martial art?
gunnsjmg
03-01-2009, 09:56 AM
There's a segment of society that can never find validation internally. Unless everyone else agrees with them, they find themselves struggling with subconcsious feelings of inadequacy. They have a psychological need to have you agee with them and they'll use whatever means they can to bring about that agreement. Bullying, insulting, cajoling.
It doesn't matter if you're talking religion, politics, and even MA training.
I agree with you. I'm often confused by the groups that for instance argue the topic of don't push your religion on me, which is fine although they bash, lobby, have huge ralies and demand there not be a hint of religion anywhere. Isn't that pushing their beliefs on everyone else? Contradicting in my opinion. Everyone is so sensitive and worried about how everybody and everything else offends them and they have to change because of it.
A load of bullshit to me. Who cares what everyone else is doing or saying especially the ones who obviously have different views and opinions, etc...Also things change and evolve in everything so why not change and evolve with it. If someone doesn't believe in doing that and refuses, let him keep his 1 horsepower, 1 gear, top speed of 2mph, with wagon wheels vehicle while we adopt the 500 hp, 6 spd, 200mph, with insane creature comforts and 28mpg fuel economy newer vehicle.:cool:
watty31
03-01-2009, 11:53 AM
There's a segment of society that can never find validation internally. Unless everyone else agrees with them, they find themselves struggling with subconcsious feelings of inadequacy. They have a psychological need to have you agee with them and they'll use whatever means they can to bring about that agreement. Bullying, insulting, cajoling.
It doesn't matter if you're talking religion, politics, and even MA training.
i think that can be applied to humanity in general not just certain sects. We all want people to agree with us, but some humans just carn't control there ego and there need to dominate, in a i'm wrong your right, i'm the best kind of attitude. its just how our environment we evolved in has come to model us. Thats not to say its a gd attitude, i'm definately in the camp of do your own thing as long as you don't effect the way i live my life.
But back on topic, i don't believe the 10th planet boys on the whole are as insecure and need everyone to do things there way. But what they don't want is a bad reputation for the system forming because ppl are pulling the moves off wrong. hence , that is what there scared of. The 10th planet police is also a gd adie to get some advice on your jiu jitsu game, but for sure ppl can sometimes be insulting without being constructive.
responding to gunn:
are atheists contradicting themselves when they have rallies etc. it depends what there rally is about, if its about what you believe in your private time sucks, you should believe this , then yes there are being contradictory. But if the rally is about certain legislation or something to do with education etc where beliefs without evidence are being pushed along side the facts of the world(i.e intelligent design vs evolution) then they aren't being contradictory as these things effect there lifes as well so they should have a say. Especially when religion and law are meant to be kepted apart according to the american constitution, so i can see why some atheists get pissed off from time to time. i totally agree with your second paragraph you wrote and the bit about ppl being affraid they offend ppl, just in case they hurt someones ego, that is bullshit!
There's also an aspect of it all that is the result of just good marketing. Instructors of any system will brag about the benefits of their own martial art so it doesn't surprise me that some students would fall in line with their gym's marketing rhetoric.
BJJ zealots and fanboys are like roving billboards for the martial art.
watty31
03-01-2009, 12:20 PM
BJJ zealots and fanboys are like roving billboards for the martial art.
lol. so true.
younwha
03-01-2009, 09:25 PM
Outdating... er... Preservation of the sport. People that can only see the way things have been done in the past and are resistant to change are the ones that ultimatly cause the downfall of the sport. I think these people care so much because of their resistance to change. They are happy in their routines and see any infringment on that as a personal attack.
Sometimes preservation is a good thing. Take other martial arts for example... TKD back in its early years use to have some deadly guys training in it. Look at what evolution has done to it... It's always good to worry about the evolution of a sport or martial art. Martial arts are designed for war, whether it be battle, or a personal war via self defense. BJJ more and more becomes a sport everyday. Maybe that is what some of the older guys are afraid of?
Idk just a thought.
Not sure why people are afraid of its use as a sport. In all honesty, if most people on here, besides the bouncers and some of you guys that fight MMA or backyard MMA, didn't do Jits as a sport most of you would never use it. You wouldn't use it because you either don't get into fights, never have to defend yourself or if you are like most on here.... you don't want to take a real street fight to the ground. Jits isn't like the old Gracie days in Brazil where you fought a karate man to defend your art. Martial arts have to evolve and martial artists must adapt to lifes circumstances. I can't challenge people to fights because it is now labeled "assault"
Oneiros
03-02-2009, 03:08 AM
I think the BJJ Police is a selected few people unable to cope with new things...
I wont name Gracie JJ here, because there are more nice and experimental GJJ guys out there then there is BJJ Police... (imho)
So its just that - a few angry/afraid people among many nice...
so I dont give a flying f... about those few and enjoy the others.
Just think about guys like Tim Sledd and others that come in here contributing and having fun with us...
that of course is just my humble opinion...
Do you guys think the BJJ police are keyboard warriors or do you feel they are actually men and women who compete at high levels? Are they low level competitors?
Oneiros
03-02-2009, 05:30 AM
I think they come from all corners ...
zaxonortesus
03-02-2009, 07:56 AM
I think they come from all corners ...
+1, and once BJJ police, not always BJJ police.
gooch
03-02-2009, 12:17 PM
http://news-libraries.mit.edu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/money.jpg
johnnyP
03-02-2009, 01:56 PM
Giant stack of money
Do you think they are all instructors attempting to keep only their 'brand' of bjj legit? Or are you saying ppl get paid to be jerks?
Or was it pic unrelated? :P
gooch
03-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Do you think they are all instructors attempting to keep only their 'brand' of bjj legit? Or are you saying ppl get paid to be jerks?
Or was it pic unrelated? :P
it's like religion
why would anyone care if you pray to your "god" and follow a belief system built in fairness?
money, if you don't go to their church you don't give them any money
if you do jiu jitsu for fun and to stay in shape does it matter if it is bjj, jjj, 10th planet? no of course not, but if they pick it apart and tell you that bjj or gracie is the best, then they will get more students, more students=more money
i'm no a big fan of tae kwon do for instance, but if someone likes it and wants to do it? what do i care? if however, they tell me that it is the best martial art out there then i would say that we have a diference of opinion
Plus, martial arts instructors have learned another lesson from the Gracies. You speak in arrogant definitive statements and you use buzz terms like "comprehensive", "combat proven", "battle tested".
Some instructors approach their brand of martial arts like cars salesman and some of their student swallow that line so hard that they'll be preaching the slogans till they die.
ATrain11267
03-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Plus, martial arts instructors have learned another lesson from the Gracies. You speak in arrogant definitive statements and you use buzz terms like "comprehensive", "combat proven", "battle tested".
Some instructors approach their brand of martial arts like cars salesman and some of their student swallow that line so hard that they'll be preaching the slogans till they die.
Truth. Just look at the George Dillman disciples. That video is floating around here somewhere... those poor kids just look foolish to an objective local news reporter and some BJJ guys.
Tallsilkyslim
03-02-2009, 04:42 PM
This is a good thread!
I want to keep sitting this one out and see where it goes............
Not to hijack the thread, but I had never heard of this George Dillman dude until now. I looked him up. That shit is awesome. He is the real deal Street Fighter guy. Or is he? I can't believe people buy into this shit. How could anyone ever believe this would work? Amazing
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Ari Bolden
03-02-2009, 06:10 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but I had never heard of this George Dillman dude until now. I looked him up. That shit is awesome. He is the real deal Street Fighter guy. Or is he? I can't believe people buy into this shit. How could anyone ever believe this would work? Amazing
For the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar1yXYOsxQk
and his response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_qg5d1YGI
jakem
03-02-2009, 07:37 PM
For the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar1yXYOsxQk
and his response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_qg5d1YGI
its all about the placement of the tongue and toes. well now i know.
johnnyP
03-02-2009, 09:11 PM
Everyone knows Rex-Kwan-Do is the only martial art worth learning
http://plutoniumblond.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rkd5.jpg
Pfft I don't wanna see any of that Jackie Chan bollocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wxwqtRgSk
:cool:
However this on the other hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHL2PSpecI&feature=related
willufc
03-03-2009, 12:02 AM
Just close minded people who cannot open their minds that there are many ways on how to kill a cat... In this case how to submit opponents...
Let them be. They'll swallow that anyway.
Quatoof
03-03-2009, 12:03 PM
Everyone knows Rex-Kwan-Do is the only martial art worth learning
http://plutoniumblond.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rkd5.jpg
Notice only Napolean is in the proper position
You take money completely out of the picture then there would be no motivation to spread the art. Because in empty hand combatives you and your select group of students WANT to be the only people who are right. You want everybody else to be wrong because you may have to fight them.
Policing makes no sense because you want the other guy to be wrong. It makes it easier to kick his ass. :D
Tallsilkyslim
03-03-2009, 01:56 PM
Pointed toes? Tongue in cheek? You gotta be kidding me!!!!!
In combat, there can be no guidelines to what your opponent is going to do. If my spiritual knockout can be nullified by the guy adjusting his tongue then i have one less move to practice.
I wish that these guys would get their ass handed to them like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
People that ignore reality, even when practicality, research, skeptics, and pretty much the whole world prove you wrong, should be lynched.
I wonder if Dillman's mumbo jumbo would be effective in an excorcism?
younwha
03-03-2009, 09:33 PM
Hmm one of our masters teaches a few amateur MMA fighters (some pretty good ones too I guess, I haven't gotten to see them fight yet) - but then again he's not a kiai master lol
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