View Full Version : For those of you that do not weight train.....
Why not? Not going to flame anyone, promise. Just curious as to why you do not weight train when the science points to longevity for those who do. When I wrestled, weight training saved my butt on a few occassions when my arms should have turned to jello.
Dondo
03-16-2009, 02:22 PM
as for me, first off, with time being limited, i focus on my BJJ and Muay Thai classes. there goes 2-3 hours right there, and even then i only get to do that twice a week, on average. to haul off and go to the gym then come back, it's something i would love to regularly do, but i just don't find that extra time.
second, after a rotator cuff problem in baseball, doing heavy weight training is murder on my shoulder. add to that the ankle and knee problems from years of basketball, it causes the lower body workouts suffer as well. kind of sucks.
instead i do a good deal of bodyweight and resistance excercises. if you ever look up that "300 workout" it will definitely get you a full body training. i know i will never be some big brute, but if i focus on my core and flexibility, and be in good enough shape for the mrs., i guess i'm ok with that.
Dannicus
03-16-2009, 02:33 PM
I can't tell you how much I would would puke if I did the 300 workout.....I would throw up so hard my pelvis would be coming up in pieces.
MatzeOne
03-16-2009, 02:37 PM
I want to make sure I do the technique right rather than compensating with strength. This is why I don't do weight training. But I guess I have to do some weight training for my rehab. And even Eddie told me I have to do some weight training.
But the main reason I didn't do it was I wanted to focus on the techniques.
in all honesty, it's just boring. i know it's a huge weakness but i'm not into grappling to win. for me it is my excercise and i find it difficult to sit down and work out for an extensive period of time without going insane. for me, working out is as fun as doing the dishes.
and trust me, I know all never get into the ADCC with that work ethic.
Ghosted3
03-16-2009, 02:53 PM
Honestly, I want to be more flexible first. Once I get to where I want to be there, maybe then I will work on weight training. Plus I always have in the back of my head that trying to get someone around 200 plus pounds off of my chest and get them back into guard is as good as doing a few reps (Dont get me wrong I know it isnt the same, but its better than nothing :p ).
I'm gonna be entirely honest here:
It's a mixture of me having hardly any money as well as being lazy! I will invest in a bar bell and some weights myself when I can, but right now I can't afford it.
Ari Bolden
03-16-2009, 04:14 PM
Very good question Ryan and I think I'll try to sum up my ideas behind weight training (it is very much a combination of everything that people have said).
Weight training is good for getting stronger. Being stronger never hurts when it comes to martial arts. Note that I said STRONGER, not BIGGER (as in "hulking huge"). We all know that technique can win over strength when the technique is good enough. It has been proven many times over on the biggest martial art stages in the world. But, a guy who is stronger and has technique on his side is a force to behold.
Weight training does bore the shit out of some people. Not everyone is into it and there are only so many hours in a day. Take the majority of people on this board who have families, lives, work and other commitments outside our their jiu jitsu training. It simply becomes a question of priority in one's life. I was never into weight training because it did (still does) bores me. I started doing martial arts because I wanted to do something a)fun b)get in shape c) learn something practical. It is also the reason I don't run. I don't like it.
To quote my bouncing mentor Doc: Treachery and experience will win over youth and exuberance every time (ok...almost every time).I like those odds for me as I am in my mid 30's now and I see the world differently.
So, they choose to do jiu jitsu over weights for the above reasons. No one is arguing that weights wouldn't help someone's game but many people sacrifice their love for JJ over getting 'stronger'. Simply by watching my students roll up someone who is bigger and stronger proves to me that this stuff REALLY works. If I take one of my bigger guys who is stronger (does weights) and trains-he rolls through people quicker (not arguing that). But the point is-not everyone has time or wants to.
Next: Doing jiu jitsu day in and day out DOES give a full body work out. It makes you loose weight. It makes you get stronger because you are getting full body resistance training in the EXACT way that you use the body. Train how you fight, fight how you train. I have never done weight or strength exercises for my grip. But after years of grappling, you can bet that it is pretty darn good.
Injuries: I have a list of injuries that prevents me from doing many types of workouts. Rotator Cuff is a huge problem for some. Squats for lower back problems can be death. You sometimes have to avoid or work around these things. Lifting weights isn't ALWAYS good for existing injuries.
You question can be flipped around a bit too. Why don't you (generally speaking) do flexibility drills or yoga to help your jiu jitsu? It is proven that being more flexible can help your game. The answer could be exactly the same: too boring to stretch, I get my stretch while doing jits.....
I don't lift much at all anymore. Once in a while I will lift for old time's sake. It is a time allocation problem. In order to lift more I would need to do less Jiu Jitsu. I hate it when work gets in the way of my hobbies. :D
If I am going to do anything different this year it is going to be more cycling. I need to lose weight. I've been having some chest pains lately. Very minor pains but chest pains are scary.
PacificFlows
03-16-2009, 04:41 PM
monday, wednesday, friday: bulldog pressing days (40kg kettlebell)
three ladders, three rungs each of clean and press.
40 secs of swings/20 sec brake for 5 mins. (repeat three times with a 1min break in between.)
every other day i just follow my 40 second hard work / 20 second rest formula with my 20kg kettlebell. doing whatever i'd like, but i always alternate between pressing and pulling (military press, snatch, side press, snatch, pistols, snatct, etc.) i've got up to five rounds with 1min breaks in between.
i obviously have too much time on my hands...
Acenes
03-16-2009, 05:06 PM
TIME: Last semester was good, I got to do jujitsu 2-4 times a week, and weights 3-4 times a week.
But this semester (since January) I have been in the gym only 4 times so far. It is all just a time issue.
FighterJimmy
03-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Who said we don't do weight training.
I do, three times a weak - and I'm definitely not going to stop soon http://cheapnightvisionequipment.com/images/34/1236765831/smile.gif
-Jim
Ari Bolden
03-16-2009, 05:18 PM
Hey Jim:
No one said that bro. It is just a time issue for some, interest level for others. To each their own.
Do what makes you happy-that is point in life ;-)
cheers
Ari
Great discussion guys! I have to agree with many of you on your reasons. I guess if you really think about it doing JJ benefits strength through resistance of your opponent. When I was able to train I was unemployed so I had time to do both weight training and jits, now that I have a job I only have time for weight training and I work during classes. For some reason, weights don't bore me but I can see how others are bored with it. Now, I think people at the ADCC level must do both but the recreational roller can get away without it.
Thanks for your input guys
Also, Ari- point taken about the yoga. lol
That martial artist mindset of attention to detail and that strive for perfection of simple movements is something that crosses over to the weight room very well. But then again I am easily amused. LOL
Tagg1080
03-16-2009, 08:41 PM
i have a firm belief that the body should only undertake stress based on its weight, ie: push ups, sit ups, pull ups, dips, etc..
so i do not train with weights, but i do increase strength
How much do you increase it?
younwha
03-16-2009, 08:52 PM
In college I had all the time in the world. I had to either be in class or work during grappling classes but I had time to make the kick boxing classes, and I also had a ton of time to lift weights. So I was in the gym almost six days a week, granted I know a lot more than I did then so I realize I did a lot of stuff wrong, but I got really strong, and pretty fast considering my age. I loved it, I still do. But now I just don't have the time, my only free time is late at least past 9 at night, no gyms around here stay open that late.
When I do get free time in the day it's like half an hour. So rather than get 15 minutes of lifting in I just stay at home and work on my stand up technique. Try to perfecting kicks, combinations, or work on pull ups - push ups etc... I also do push ups every night before bed, when I first started about six months ago I could only do about 80 without a break, I'm now at almost 350. Granted I don't do that much every night I do about 200 every night right now... but I hope to reach the potential of 1,000 with no break.
Great topic starter :D
In college I had all the time in the world. I had to either be in class or work during grappling classes but I had time to make the kick boxing classes, and I also had a ton of time to lift weights. So I was in the gym almost six days a week, granted I know a lot more than I did then so I realize I did a lot of stuff wrong, but I got really strong, and pretty fast considering my age. I loved it, I still do. But now I just don't have the time, my only free time is late at least past 9 at night, no gyms around here stay open that late.
When I do get free time in the day it's like half an hour. So rather than get 15 minutes of lifting in I just stay at home and work on my stand up technique. Try to perfecting kicks, combinations, or work on pull ups - push ups etc... I also do push ups every night before bed, when I first started about six months ago I could only do about 80 without a break, I'm now at almost 350. Granted I don't do that much every night I do about 200 every night right now... but I hope to reach the potential of 1,000 with no break.
Great topic starter :D
So thats just hit the floor and start doing pushups and you get to 350? Or is it in reps? Cause if its in one shot, you are my new hero :D
PacificFlows
03-16-2009, 11:35 PM
That martial artist mindset of attention to detail and that strive for perfection of simple movements is something that crosses over to the weight room very well. But then again I am easily amused. LOL
This is why I enjoy kettlebells. Lack of attention to detail will do you serious injury when dealing with a heavier bell. It builds the ability to do mental work when your body is under great stress. That's why the military uses them, and it's one of the many reasons I feel they are the bees knees for martial arts training.
michaelwbray
03-17-2009, 04:03 AM
Time is the main issue for me:
I work about 55 hours a week managing a pub.
I work about 20 hours a week doing website design.
I train jiu jitsu 5 days a week.
I train muay thai twice a week.
I have a fiance that I like to spend time with.
I have mates I like to have a beer with.
I enjoy sleeping.
Doesn't leave much time in the week for weight lifting or going for jogs etc.
Time is the main issue for me:
I work about 55 hours a week managing a pub.
I work about 20 hours a week doing website design.
I train jiu jitsu 5 days a week.
I train muay thai twice a week.
I have a fiance that I like to spend time with.
I have mates I like to have a beer with.
I enjoy sleeping.
Doesn't leave much time in the week for weight lifting or going for jogs etc.
Similar here. I used to do weights but now I just stick to BJJ.
Work 50 hours a week & interstate regularly
3 nights & Sat morn BJJ
2 kids
Getting old!
Need rest!
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younwha
03-17-2009, 08:04 AM
So thats just hit the floor and start doing pushups and you get to 350? Or is it in reps? Cause if its in one shot, you are my new hero :D
One shot :)
One time at testing our Grandmaster was up from Texas. In the middle of the day during testing all the high ranks will get up and train so the younger students will look at something to aspire to. Anyway - during this training he said ok I want everyone to do as many push ups as they can. The highest someone got was like 200, this was after some people saying they will do like 4 or 500. So he was in a 3 piece suit, got on the floor and punched out 1,000 push ups. Good push ups not those panzy push ups lol And he's 72 years old... So I figure if a 72 year old man can do that, there's no excuse for me
So he was in a 3 piece suit, got on the floor and punched out 1,000 push ups. Good push ups not those panzy push ups lol And he's 72 years old... So I figure if a 72 year old man can do that, there's no excuse for me
Isn't that the Nelson Mandela workout? I heard that's how he stayed fit while in prison. 1000 push ups a day.
Tallsilkyslim
03-17-2009, 02:17 PM
I was never into lifting until the realities of the cage slapped me in the face. In order to be able to compete with the guys in my weight class, i need to get stronger.
I am a tall drink of water. I don't put on muscle mass easily. But since my last loss i have dedicated myself to lifting at minimum 3 times a week. In the last couple months i have already noticed a difference when i train. I am more confident and strong when rolling, and am becoming quite the bitch to take down.
I think lifting can help you tremendously in martial arts. My partner Tyson does INSANE amounts of squats right before we train. To the tune of 5 sets of 12 with 450 lbs loaded on. We are built similar, with him having a touch more mass than me. I can feel the power difference between us when we roll or wrestle.
jasper_milktoast
03-17-2009, 10:10 PM
love weight lifting, makes a huge difference when rolling. you only need an hour a day to complete a fully body routine as well. in the winter when the snow prevented me from running, i did complexes to simulate the high heart rate you get from running.
i used to have knee problems when i was younger, but squats and stretching saved me knees. bad form can hurt you and tend to discourage most beginners.
i suppose it isn't for anyone, and i do see the benefits of using jiu jitsu or other martial arts as exercise.
younwha
03-17-2009, 11:40 PM
Isn't that the Nelson Mandela workout? I heard that's how he stayed fit while in prison. 1000 push ups a day.
Hmm maybe? I never heard that before.
michaelwbray
03-18-2009, 02:39 AM
1000 push ups a day wouldn't be to hard in prison when you are stuck in the cell 23 hours a day. Atleast it'd give you something to do.
1000 push ups a day wouldn't be to hard in prison when you are stuck in the cell 23 hours a day. Atleast it'd give you something to do.
You can only do them when your cell mate is in his bunk or there is not enough room.
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thedogwave
03-22-2009, 08:34 PM
this thread made me happy. well kind of, i thought i was the only one who justified this by not having enough time or just being lazy. between working, being engaged, and trying to find time for grappling my time is pretty limited. people train for different reasons. i guess if you want to move into MMA you have to do some weights, everyone else is. my goal is to progress in jiu jitsu, maybe compete when i can fit it in, and into learn another way to defend myself. plus, i love beers so i'll never have nice abs.
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