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frank_shic
03-23-2009, 07:57 AM
anyone wrestle in high school? just curious as to how the training you received helped with your jiu jitsu and wondering if it's possible to learn any of the techniques that make wrestlers such worthy competitors on the mat. i've noticed that former wrestlers tend to be very explosive and tend to be much more aggressive when seeking position. it is a ROYAL PAIN trying to escape side control once these guys have a good scarf hold!
I am not sure if you were a H.S. wrestler or if you are wishing to learn to make grappling in general easier. If you were a wrestler and wish to do jits I suggest modifying some moves so your not caught up in a guillotine or a RNC.
If you aren't a wrestler I suggest finding a wrestler and working with him or her. While not all wrestling works in jits, it is a good foundation to learn positioning, weight distribution and I find it useful in transitioning from move to move.
Ryan, what style of jits are you practicing and what moves do you tend to focus on?
I'm just curious because I remember seeing some video with Catch as Catch Can wrestler Billy Robinson where he felt that Catch Wrestling was more relevant to ex-wrestlers than Jiu Jitsu since he felt that it played to a wrestlers specific strengths.
outlawz
03-23-2009, 01:10 PM
I roll with wrestlers all the time.... and yes they are VERY tough once they pass your guard....
i find it easiest to work half guard against wrestlers.... especially the lock down. i've shut down wrestlers way bigger than me by locking down that leg and using electric chair, old school, plan b sweep, etc.... keeping a wrestler down is equally tough once you get past their guard so i find it easier to work either in the 1/2 guard preferred or in the full closed guard and set them up for something.....
and for some reason wrestlers DO NOT seem to like having the forearm near their neck when in mission control.... I have one dude who will continue to underhook that arm every time i lock up MC..... we playfight for about 2 minutes until I get a tight MC and he quits it...
frank_shic
03-23-2009, 04:35 PM
ryan, i regret having written off wrestling back when i was in high school (ages ago lol) so i'm just curious as to how your training was performed especially in regards to the types of exercises or drills that were performed to develop position like you mentioned.
I don't currently train Jits because of my work schedule but when I did I found that my shots had to be modified because I continually left my neck out. When my opponent would be somewhat behind me but more to the side on the ground I would try a thing called the lock n roll. That is where you lock in their elbow and roll them across your body and on their back. I was continually RNC'd so I had to stop doing that. Wrestling is a good base but you have to modify it in order for it to be effective. Never tried shoot wrestling.
In terms of drills, I suggest if you can't find someone to grapple with you look up some Cael Sanderson vids on youtube.. you can practice your shots in a long strip of yard or carpet. Just step with your lead foot and land on your heal, roll to your toes and put knee to ground. With your back leg you drag it up and through your body and drive forward..... heal, toe, knee and repeat. Each time you grab for your opponents leg and keep your back straight and head up.
frank_shic
03-24-2009, 02:10 PM
thanks for the reference, ryan. there's a ton of youtube videos with cael in them.
Brandon Quick
03-25-2009, 08:43 AM
if you practice no gi you should have some takedown knowledge. Period. Starting on knees wont get you good results all the time. Now if you choose to do judo, sambo or wrestling takedown it doesn't matter. For me personally I prefer more submission oriented takedowns and defense. Str8 up wrestling is good but I always prefer to look for the submission.
BadKarmaRising
03-25-2009, 10:53 AM
anyone wrestle in high school? just curious as to how the training you received helped with your jiu jitsu and wondering if it's possible to learn any of the techniques that make wrestlers such worthy competitors on the mat. i've noticed that former wrestlers tend to be very explosive and tend to be much more aggressive when seeking position. it is a ROYAL PAIN trying to escape side control once these guys have a good scarf hold!
What wrestling in high school teaches more than technique is work ethic. In my opinion, that's why guys with a wrestling base tend to advance more quickly and are such tough competitors.
If you combine that with the fact that in most cases, every week a varsity wrestler has to compete for his position, you build a toughness that is hard to find in other grappling disciplines.
What wrestling in high school teaches more than technique is work ethic. In my opinion, that's why guys with a wrestling base tend to advance more quickly and are such tough competitors.
If you combine that with the fact that in most cases, every week a varsity wrestler has to compete for his position, you build a toughness that is hard to find in other grappling disciplines.
agreed, its tough. I hated that each week I had to do the following....... attend practice and learn/re-fine and drill moves, cut weight, compete for my varsity spot and manage to not have ringworm or impetego (sp) each and every week.
I do think wrestling has a solid place in grappling and is the only sport that is used in all aspects of grappling.
Tallsilkyslim
03-25-2009, 01:23 PM
Steve is right. Wrestlers win because of their mental toughness. They discipline themselves to go go go until the job is done. I envy that.
agreed, its tough. I hated that each week I had to do the following....... attend practice and learn/re-fine and drill moves, cut weight, compete for my varsity spot and manage to not have ringworm or impetego (sp) each and every week.
Did you ever get an acute form of Post Tramatic Stress Disorder from it? Like do you sometimes wake up in the morning panicking worried that you won't make weight but then you realize that you're not in Highschool and that it's just another Sunday.
I still have nightmares that I lost my class schedule and that I'm running around campus trying to find my class that I'm late to.
Did you ever get an acute form of Post Tramatic Stress Disorder from it? Like do you sometimes wake up in the morning panicking worried that you won't make weight but then you realize that you're not in Highschool and that it's just another Sunday.
I still have nightmares that I lost my class schedule and that I'm running around campus trying to find my class that I'm late to.
lol, no.... but I don't shave unless I have to but my nails are always nicely cut.
I really like what wrestling has done for my son. My son says "After Wrestling everything else in life is easy." There is some truth in that.
I really like what wrestling has done for my son. My son says "After Wrestling everything else in life is easy." There is some truth in that.
Yeah, just watch out for that social peer group nonsense. And I'm not saying that in regards to just wrestling... every social peer group (football players, skateboarders, etc) has it's own dilemmas if they are popular enough.
Like my sister in-law's kid is a popular varsity basketball player. The sport definitely gives him a positive sense of ambition and self discipline. A nice establishing and accomplishing of goals. But then her brain is blown when he get's caught in the house with girls or is staying out late partying on an off weekend. It sort of came with the package.
dialupking
03-26-2009, 04:16 PM
I don't currently train Jits because of my work schedule but when I did I found that my shots had to be modified because I continually left my neck out. When my opponent would be somewhat behind me but more to the side on the ground I would try a thing called the lock n roll. That is where you lock in their elbow and roll them across your body and on their back. I was continually RNC'd so I had to stop doing that. Wrestling is a good base but you have to modify it in order for it to be effective. Never tried shoot wrestling.
In terms of drills, I suggest if you can't find someone to grapple with you look up some Cael Sanderson vids on youtube.. you can practice your shots in a long strip of yard or carpet. Just step with your lead foot and land on your heal, roll to your toes and put knee to ground. With your back leg you drag it up and through your body and drive forward..... heal, toe, knee and repeat. Each time you grab for your opponents leg and keep your back straight and head up.
Hey Ryan, I just read this and I wanted to thank you. I'll definitely be working on my shots this weekend. In Judo, I get schooled by kids with wrestling experience, because of my height and the fact I'm still so new to grappling. Thanks for the advice :D
dialupking
03-26-2009, 04:24 PM
Yeah, just watch out for that social peer group nonsense. And I'm not saying that in regards to just wrestling... every social peer group (football players, skateboarders, etc) has it's own dilemmas if they are popular enough.
Like my sister in-law's kid is a popular varsity basketball player. The sport definitely gives him a positive sense of ambition and self discipline. A nice establishing and accomplishing of goals. But then her brain is blown when he get's caught in the house with girls or is staying out late partying on an off weekend. It sort of came with the package.
True there. I was in football (wrestling wasn't offered in high school) and there was just too much shit involved. I mean I'm only 20 now, and I'm in college. The social groups are still around ( I live with a band, so there you go), I just stay busy with my job, Judo, full time school, and the long distance relationship to keep myself out of trouble these days.
I had to kind of laugh when I read the social aspect of being in sports with peer pressure. I remember in high school I would be eating a school pizza on a wed. and another guy on the team would be like "Hey Clarky, where you at on weight?" I would say 129 (wrestled 125) and he would be like "Ok, just making sure you weren't going to be over Saturday"
I think in wrestling people don't consider the team aspect but I never found myself in a negative atmosphere. The only trouble kids were the heavier kids cuz they never had to worry about the scale.
In cross country we had a lot of cigar smokers though, lol
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