RG Against BIG guys

[NebS]

OK, so some of you guys know that I have a slight problem at my club...Most of the guys there are around 200lbs, but I (being small) am only around 100lbs...

I am constantly rolling with a 245lbs-ish guy to work on technique/escapes, but the thing I find is that I cannot pull rubber guard. However, my lockdown and sweeps from half-guard are pretty good, just he's too big to swing my legs up and establish MC. I can get a semi-high guard on him, but no MC.

I'm working on my flexibility, as that may be part of the issue, but I was just wondering how you guys deal with really big guys in respect to the RG.

Any and all suggestions will be beneficial, I assure you.

Thanks in advance,
Ben

[CEB]

I have put Lee in rubber guard and his upper body is huge.

The key for me is my hip position. I will use the foot in the hip as a push off to help move my hips high enough to lock the Mission Control position.

But that is just me. I am not a rubber guard player. I just toy with the position sometimes so take it for what it is worth.

[ESB Jiu JItsu]

Im usually in the same situation but i actually love rolling against larger guys and using RG. Mainly I work a lot of double bagger and invisible collar, because I find that gogos are very easy on larger guys. Also trying to work to get a larger guy off balance will help you land one of their hands to the mat and work meat hook, arm bars etc. As far as sweeps I think against a larger guy that electric chair is a good option for submission and sticking with old school and really anticipating that plan b attack is a great startagy. Also i like limp arming to the back in dog fight on bigger guys as well. Big guys are like jungle gyms :), lots of structure to limb and work off of.

In line with what CEB said Remeber with big guys you really need to get them low on your hips and work side to side to have enough space to work and prevent them from crowding you. Use retard control to push the person down hard and then switch to crack head and move up to DB and or IC.

[NebS]

Thanks for the quick replies, but sitting here I wondered about something else too:

How do you strengthen your legs for working with the butterfly guard and sweeps?

Big guys can sometimes equal big problems.

[ESB Jiu JItsu]

I train with a punching bag. Sit it in your legs like your using butterfly guard and gable grip around the bag. Roll back and kick up and repeat :)

[CEB]

:D :D :D
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/CEB2/size-does-matter-742262.jpg

[Moose]

Sadly some people are just to big to pull rubber guard on.

Personally I find pulling half guard sweeps on larger opponents as a better option than trying to manage full or RG

[NebS]

True, I find half-guard works very well too. Its just I like to work the RG as it leads to nice submissions

[Ari Bolden]

I would agree with Moose. Sometimes people are too big. This is always a funny topic because I read some insane weight differences sometimes. I see that someone is 100lbs rolling with a 200 plus pounder!!!??

Why?

If it is because you don't have any other training partners, I totally understand but the difference in weight (100 plus pounds), especially for a new guys, is almost too much to overcome. You should be training with people around your size. If we are talking sport grappling, you are usually paired with someone +/- 20lbs. Unless you have SICK skill or the big guy totally sucks ass-you are going to have a hell of time against him. You probably won't get rubber guard. If he is too broad, you won't ever get a triangle. If his arms are as big as your legs, he may power out of a lot of stuff.

I appreciate this thread and I get TONS of requests of videos "big vs small" what can we do? My only problem is that in order for me to win against someone bigger and stronger than myself, my technique has to be that much better OR you don't play the grappling game. You need to have a vale tudo (anything goes mindset). One of the reasons Royce won those early UFCs was because he was allowed to do anything to win. Kimo was huge and Royce grabbed his hair and punched his face. He heel kicked the kindney's. He wore the guy done and then got the submission (not before taking a LOT of punishment).

Size does matter-especially in the SPORT grappling arena. When it is NOT rules, you have a better time coming out on top, even if the guy is bigger.

[NebS]

I would agree with Moose. Sometimes people are too big. This is always a funny topic because I read some insane weight differences sometimes. I see that someone is 100lbs rolling with a 200 plus pounder!!!??

Why?

If it is because you don't have any other training partners, I totally understand but the difference in weight (100 plus pounds), especially for a new guys, is almost too much to overcome. You should be training with people around your size. If we are talking sport grappling, you are usually paired with someone +/- 20lbs. Unless you have SICK skill or the big guy totally sucks ass-you are going to have a hell of time against him. You probably won't get rubber guard. If he is too broad, you won't ever get a triangle. If his arms are as big as your legs, he may power out of a lot of stuff.

I appreciate this thread and I get TONS of requests of videos "big vs small" what can we do? My only problem is that in order for me to win against someone bigger and stronger than myself, my technique has to be that much better OR you don't play the grappling game. You need to have a vale tudo (anything goes mindset). One of the reasons Royce won those early UFCs was because he was allowed to do anything to win. Kimo was huge and Royce grabbed his hair and punched his face. He heel kicked the kindney's. He wore the guy done and then got the submission (not before taking a LOT of punishment).

Size does matter-especially in the SPORT grappling arena. When it is NOT rules, you have a better time coming out on top, even if the guy is bigger.

Thanks for the input Ari. Always appreciated.

I am usually rolling with bigger guys because all of the smaller guys are complete newbs, and I would walk right through them (not underestimating anyone, but when I've got 4 years experience vs 3 weeks, I got a pretty good idea on whos going to win). I also enjoy working with the bigger guys so they can see what its like to work with someone soo slippery. Most of the time....

If I was rolling against someone my own weight-ish, & experience level, that would be very enjoyable. But sometimes beening thrown around like a ragdoll because some of the noobs are strong, 200lbs guys and just muscle their way through everything doesn't make it an enjoyable experience, such that I would like to keep them down with Crackhead or Retard control.

:D

[dialupking]

I would agree with Moose. Sometimes people are too big. This is always a funny topic because I read some insane weight differences sometimes. I see that someone is 100lbs rolling with a 200 plus pounder!!!??

Why?

If it is because you don't have any other training partners, I totally understand but the difference in weight (100 plus pounds), especially for a new guys, is almost too much to overcome. You should be training with people around your size. If we are talking sport grappling, you are usually paired with someone +/- 20lbs. Unless you have SICK skill or the big guy totally sucks ass-you are going to have a hell of time against him. You probably won't get rubber guard. If he is too broad, you won't ever get a triangle. If his arms are as big as your legs, he may power out of a lot of stuff.

I appreciate this thread and I get TONS of requests of videos "big vs small" what can we do? My only problem is that in order for me to win against someone bigger and stronger than myself, my technique has to be that much better OR you don't play the grappling game. You need to have a vale tudo (anything goes mindset). One of the reasons Royce won those early UFCs was because he was allowed to do anything to win. Kimo was huge and Royce grabbed his hair and punched his face. He heel kicked the kindney's. He wore the guy done and then got the submission (not before taking a LOT of punishment).

Size does matter-especially in the SPORT grappling arena. When it is NOT rules, you have a better time coming out on top, even if the guy is bigger.

Ari when you talk about A little guy with skill vs a giant with no skill, is this like when Tom took on the Raging Redneck?

When I first saw that video I thought Tom killed him in the cage! I thought the big guy broke his neck with the way he landed and didn't move!