Cocoon

[PacificFlows]

Recently I've been pulling guard by snatching an over-hook, quickly establishing the butterfly hooks, and then scooping up the under hook to establish the cocoon. This usually ends up quickly turning into pyramid, but then I just say fuck it and pull chill dog. While I know it's not a bad set of transitions, it's not very far off the beaten path in my guard game. Does anyone else ever find themselves in cocoon, and if so, where do you end up form there? Sweeps? Transitions?

Just brainstorming on the proverbial drawing board, here.

[Ari Bolden]

I often use this butterfly guard (cocoon) as a start position as most people feel less threatened in it than someone trying to pull guard.

The cocoon is usually where I get my sweeps from or eventually getting my RG if I break them down. To be honest, I don't use the pyramid a lot off the cocoon.

[AJ]

I've been pulling the cocoon position lately out of necessity. I never even planned on developing my butterfly guard game yet but my increased hip flexibility has allowed me to snare somebody back down when they break my closed guard and go for the pass.

That being said, all I got from there is a butterfly sweep. Just youtube search for "Cocoon sweep bravo" and you'll find the video.

[outlawz]

I haven't been using much of the cocoon position per se but I borrowed something I saw from Jerome Basilio when I can't get my opponents hand to the mat but I still want to setup Rubber guard. I'll try and be descriptive so you can get what I'm doing...

I grab my ankle to get mission control and pull them torward me. I also try and establish and overhook on their arm that eventually I want on the mat (their right arm). Once they are broken down most of my opponents will post their hands on my chest. So I'm in mission control with a deep clamp on their arm/shoulder due to my over hook. I release my ankle and begin to clear the neck straight to chill dog before I get to new york. They can't back up cause of the tightness of the overhook. I have basically replaced hugging my knee with overhooking their arm. Once my arm comes across their neck I re-grab my ankle and pull it down however I grab my wrist with my hand that is overhooked around their arm forming kind of like a sideways "T". With this new grip your holding power is extremely secure. The overhook is extremely tight and they won't be able to pry their arm out. Most of the time when you "T" your grip they usually forget about keeping their hands on your chest and put one on the ground to push off of you which is ineffective at best. At this point I can choose to hug my knee for true chill dog and work subs from there or go double bagger/chill dog, etc.... Or you can stay in this "T" grip position and work subs like omoplata,gogoplata, kung fu move, etc....

[Brandon Quick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYqO8LknLqI

my best triangler...uses pyramid all day, check him out!

Sam Miller
15 months of jitsu
blue belt
GOLD intermediate 2-5 yrs experience
NAGA Dallas

textbook...jj1>pyramid>triangle

[AJ]

my best triangler...uses pyramid all day, check him out!


Sick

How gnarly is his squeeze on his high guard leg? I've honestly been holding off on the pyramid because I assumed that it required a higher level squeeze to keep their posture down.

Lately, I've been hitting triangles off of a high guard meathook setup that Herzog put up on youtube. I've been loving it since the meathook nerfs the arm strength on any big ass beefcake mofo.

[PacificFlows]

I haven't been using much of the cocoon position per se but I borrowed something I saw from Jerome Basilio when I can't get my opponents hand to the mat but I still want to setup Rubber guard. I'll try and be descriptive so you can get what I'm doing...

I grab my ankle to get mission control and pull them torward me. I also try and establish and overhook on their arm that eventually I want on the mat (their right arm). Once they are broken down most of my opponents will post their hands on my chest. So I'm in mission control with a deep clamp on their arm/shoulder due to my over hook. I release my ankle and begin to clear the neck straight to chill dog before I get to new york. They can't back up cause of the tightness of the overhook. I have basically replaced hugging my knee with overhooking their arm. Once my arm comes across their neck I re-grab my ankle and pull it down however I grab my wrist with my hand that is overhooked around their arm forming kind of like a sideways "T". With this new grip your holding power is extremely secure. The overhook is extremely tight and they won't be able to pry their arm out. Most of the time when you "T" your grip they usually forget about keeping their hands on your chest and put one on the ground to push off of you which is ineffective at best. At this point I can choose to hug my knee for true chill dog and work subs from there or go double bagger/chill dog, etc.... Or you can stay in this "T" grip position and work subs like omoplata,gogoplata, kung fu move, etc....

Ah, yes. The "Master Blaster" grip. Type that into youtube and you should come up with a gnarly-effective sweep using a similar control. Not RG based at all, but I spoke to the developer of the technique and he's got a lot of respect for the 10thpjj system.

Brandon, what is the "jj1" position you refer to in, "jj1>pyramid>triangle"

To follow up on what usually happens when I'm playing cocoon, Master Bravo demonstrates it pretty well at the beginning of this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZeuQRLFNXM

[outlawz]

Yeah I talked to the same guy down in like South America that does the master blaster grip. We had a great convo going back and forth about this grip. It is actually pretty nasty in itself both full guard and half guard for some great triangle setups. I started using it with RG after jerome did something very similar in one of his "reaper" demonstrations I believe.... Grabbed his own wrist after overhooking his opponents arm. Made for a SUPER tight lock on my opponents arm and shoulder. I had to do something for those super strong opponents that even when hugging your knee they can wrench their arm out or ones that simply will not let you zombie or night of the living dead their arm to the mat....

[PacificFlows]

I'd never even considered using the grip that way. Thanks for the tip, man!

This forum is the shit. :cool: