What my Traditional Jujutsu looks like

[Ari Bolden]

Found a video that is very similar to the traditional Jujutsu that I learned (not the more modern Goshin stuff).

thought you'd be curious ;-)

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[rocknroll]

i love this, they are going hard, thats training more like the old way, today training is more soft (more like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXngXtMdWrk&feature=related)...

would you agree ?

but i think going harder is better for applying in reality (but there is more danger for a possible injury)

but the few techniques at minute 2:05 looked really strange... i think i dont understand them... normally you would let go ? was that guy supposed to keep the grip ? looked strange

[Ari Bolden]

i love this, they are going hard, thats training more like the old way, today training is more soft (more like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXngXtMdWrk&feature=related) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXngXtMdWrk&feature=related%29)...

would you agree ?

but i think going harder is better for applying in reality (but there is more danger for a possible injury)

but the few techniques at minute 2:05 looked really strange... i think i dont understand them... normally you would let go ? was that guy supposed to keep the grip ? looked strange

The video you provide is VERY TRADITIONAL Daito. They are 'going slow' to PERFECT the technique. It is just the training modality...nothing more.Its like doing a kata slow in karate or doing an arm bar drill in BJJ.

As for the strange technique at 2:05, this is the essence of aiki and of knowing how the body moves and reacts. Granted it is always possible to pull away but this technique is (as any judoka, aikidoka or other Japanese artist can tell you) what kazushi is (unbalancing).

The move exists to give the uke (person taking the technique) an understanding of where the tipping point is. It is impossible to pull your arm away if you do not have balance. Body mechanics at its finest ;-)

Again, not a move I would pull off in the street but beautiful if you know what you are looking at.

[Adam]

The last place we trained at had a Daito ryu school on the opposite mat.
We used to cross train all the time with them and the Judo guys.
Didn't like it as they would drill maybe 4 techniques a night time and time again, Wrist lock perfection.
When it came time for them to cross train with us they would get there arse handed to them in randori buy the Judo and us Goshin Jujitsu guys.
Ill call them the perfectionists of MA but just not enough live resistance training for my liking..

[CEB]

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but the few techniques at minute 2:05 looked really strange... i think i dont understand them... normally you would let go ? was that guy supposed to keep the grip ? looked strange

(FYI I am at home and my software is screwed up on my antique home PC... I can not watch movies but.. )

You hold on because if you let go you die..... period.

The empty hand techniques evolved from hand vs weapon techniques. The "wristlocks" can be applied with a sword using the tsuka to apply the leverage. If you know a basic nikajo where you trap their grip then apply knife hand pressure over their wrist. Originally you would have used the handle of your sword to apply the pressure against the wrist.

Countless people have ridiculed a lot of JuJutsu and AiKiDo practitioners for practicing attacks against two hands grabbing two hands (Ryote Dori I THINK). The significance of this grab is that it is the only way to stop your enemy from drawing his weapon.

You let go you die. So you hold on and try to take his weapon away and stick up his ***. If he breaks your grip he cuts you down.

[NebS]

This is the basic stuff of what I do in JJJ, Can-Ryu Jujitsu.

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[rocknroll]

i wish there would be japanese jiu jitsu in my town :( german jiu jitsu is a hybrid and it sucks :) the only japanese school know of and where i was, does bujinkan but i dont want to go there again ^^

[CEB]

There is not much Japanese Jujutsu to be found anywhere really. It is a pretty rare thing.

There is a good reason for that though ... guns :D

[Tallsilkyslim]

I thought for sure it was going to be an old Steven Seagal video.:)

[NebS]

I thought for sure it was going to be an old Steven Seagal video.:)

Haha, close...Steve Hiscoe is beast though. Crazy guy. In a good way.

[Ari Bolden]

Haha, close...Steve Hiscoe is beast though. Crazy guy. In a good way.


Steve is a really good guy. Can Ryu is very Goshin based. Traditional JJ is fantastic for sensitivity training, movement and to be honest, a lot of moves which can really cripple quite quickly. There is a time an place for it all...and I wouldn't give up my JJJ or Aikido for anything. It actually helps my BJJ and 10th Planet ;-)

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[Adam]

Nice stuff , that uke has a weird habit with his legs on the breakfalls? or is that just another way of doing it?