Rules question/clarification

[eyemyor]

As you all know I'm new to BJJ, and I have my first competition coming up in October at the Northwest Submission Challenge. In the process of checking out their competition-specific rules, I found one that I could potentially need some clarification on:

"White belt, beginner classes, teen, and all kids classes will not be allowed any submissions below the waist (knee bars, toe holds, ankle locks) or neck cranks."

They say submissions below the waist, but then they go on to clarify submissions related to joints at the knee and below.

My question is - would something along the lines of an electric chair fit into the category of "below the waist" as you think they are explaining it? You are manipulating both of your opponent's legs, but the submission itself comes from an extreme groin stretch (which they may still consider below the waist).

Anyone with some help/clarification on this one? Figured that I would ask people here before I go hit up Scott Marker on it.

[CEB]

You mean the hip crank / groin groin submission? I would assume it is illegal but someone should ask at the rules meeting. But no, do not worry about asking us, ask the tournanment director.

The electric chair I understand it is a half guard sweep / escape. I use it sweep the guy and either go for side control or take the back. It is a good move from either deep half guard or that lockdown thingy I don't use.

[eyemyor]

I'll drop them a line about it and see what they say :)

As I understood it, the electric chair is not only a sweep/escape, but due to the position that it puts you in as you scoot out, it also functions as the groin/hip crank submission, assuming you keep your grip and lockdown rather than moving out.

If I am assuming incorrectly here, someone feel free to correct me!

[AJ]

As more people are being made aware of the move, the more it is seen as a leg lock or hip crank, meaning that it is usually banned.

Basically, don't count on being able to use it as a submission and just clarify whether or not it is allowed at the rules meeting prior to the competition.

[lone mantis]

If its an integral part of your arsenal, I'd say email them and ask. There is a "contact" tab on their webpage. Otherwise, just don't use it. Good luck btw.

[CEB]

I'll drop them a line about it and see what they say :)

As I understood it, the electric chair is not only a sweep/escape, but due to the position that it puts you in as you scoot out, it also functions as the groin/hip crank submission, assuming you keep your grip and lockdown rather than moving out.

If I am assuming incorrectly here, someone feel free to correct me!

The hip crank is there if you crank it and get the right positoning of their leg AND your opponent is not super flexible. Your chin need to be tight to their leg and just below their knee or there abouts. I wind up with a lot of scamble type of situaton with the electric chair but I suck. But you don't have to try for the hip crank. The electric chair is not a one trick pony or at least not the way I use it. I am not 10th planet I just took a few or their tricks and really jacked around a lot with them.

Electric chair is just another wrestliing bottom escape where you beat the opponent's cross-face and gable grip a leg roll them off you.

You can do what I THINK 10th Planet guys call Stoner Control and go to the back. Or you can just turn you opponent and pass to leg to side control. Or you can just get out there and go for the scramble. It is good way out of bottom half guard. I go deep half guard and don't use lockdown. I have really short legs and my testicles are so big that lockdown crushes them which hurts.

[Ari Bolden]

Tren Long, the guy running the tourney, will let you know Erik. The electric chair will most likely not be allowed at that level do to the damage the EC can do to the knee as well as the groin (depends where you crank on the leg).

The sweep option is always there as suggested.

[eyemyor]

Gotcha. Understandable I guess, with the potential damage to the knee if someone cranks from the wrong location.

I've got a few other quirky ideas Ari, maybe I'll drop you a PM and get some input that way.

[Shonuff]

Always be careful using a move as a sweep that would be illegal as a submission.

If your opponenet taps while in the position you can get DQ'ed even if you were not applying it in that fashion.

[CEB]

Oooh! That would be true.

[Ari Bolden]

yes...it would also be cheap but I have seen that before.

You guys remember that match with Monson where he was DQed because his opponent tapped when Monson grabbed his head to break guard? I can't find that video (was it pe de pano?)

[eyemyor]

Bad break for Monson on that one, no doubt.

But thanks for the heads up. I will definitely be mindful of it if the opportunity for the sweep comes up.

[zaxonortesus]

I have seen things like that before as well. Someone going for a straight ankle lock and the one to whom the submission is being applied pushed the submitter's heel across his waist, so that he was reaping the knee, then tapped and got the other guy DQ'ed... So cheap. It's one of the main reasons I tend to stay away from the foot lock series that I'm getting good at, just too damn dangerous to use in competition.

[Sue]

Jiu jitsu isn't fair! :D

[Micky]

Was there not a 10th Planet competitor that got DQ'd for using the Electric Chair? There was a video of it I think.

[zaxonortesus]

Yeah, I remember that. Good call.

[ScreamoonW]

The you cant shoot into close combat idea comes from your familiarity with 40k or WHF. Its never been a part of Rackhams games. Im sure learning AT-43 will go quickest for you if you forget the rules for other games.

[zaxonortesus]

The you cant shoot into close combat idea comes from your familiarity with 40k or WHF. Its never been a part of Rackhams games. Im sure learning AT-43 will go quickest for you if you forget the rules for other games.

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[Sue]

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Ooh, that's what I said to it's first post. You beat me too it :)