Best submissions for nogi rolling with noobs

[Tallsilkyslim]

In light of the video Ari posted with Robert Lovi, I am wondering what submissions work best if the situation were nogi instead of gi. Obviously your options with the gi are better when rolling with inexperienced people due to the unfamiliar nature of them, so what works best nogi on the noobs?

Fire away boys...

[Ari Bolden]

Key Lock
Kimura
Triangle Choke
RNC
armbar

Hey, all those can be done gi too ;-)

[zaxonortesus]

I'll pitter patter around with new guys for a while, then go for crazy things, inverted triangle control from side control looking for far side arm bars has been my favorite as of late, or reverse triangles from a body triangle from back mount. But for good old fashion noon pwnage, what Ari said just about covers it.

[jakem]

i like d'arce chokes(arm triangles and r.a.t.s). i know cheezy plug i shall now fade to black...:D :D

[ZeiShou]

I usually let them play around and get a good position... and then proceed to submit/reverse said good position. As of late, I've liked finding good Crucifix and Triangle set-ups as well as looking for the Gogo/Lock-oplatas.

[cuzz63]

Guillotine's and Arm Triangles are at the top of the list

[NebS]

Flying armbars. It gives them the greatest "WTF" face in the world, and it makes my day.

[Matt]

Leg Triangles, they lack the proper arm movement skills to block the legs.. also Arm Triangles as they flail there arms about to much.

[younwha]

I like to keep stuff simple when I roll, I try not to get too far out there anyway.

Arm triangles, RNC, triangle, get to scarf hold and then a sort of kimura with my legs idk what you call it, wrist locks are surprises though... I like them a lot.

[BadKarmaRising]

Entangled arm locks of all varieties, (americana, kimura, etc.) and chokes/neck cranks/ jaw and face locks.


Guess which are my favorite? :-D

[RitsuRei]

I love that you can actually pull their legs into position to get the twister or truck, its like a moth in a web. After i teach them some submission defense from an arm bar i like to throw on a arm crush and blow their little minds. its like "OK im defending but wait ow ow ow why's my bicep feel like its gonna rip" haha

[CEB]

Standing - For true WTF value I like the choke slam as surprise submission.

Ground - When I am in the guard wearing gi I love the Batista Bomb. I can get a tap with the Batista Bomb if the white belt does not go unconscious. It is harder to do this move no gi from the ground. My boy used a Batista Bomb in a Football drill his Freshman year when trying to make the sophmore squad and got yelled at by the Defensive coordinator for trying to kill someone during a drill.

Actually I don't try to submit white belts too much. I play a lot of defense and let them work their stuff as long as they don't go crazy. I've gotten to where I don't like rolling with white belts too much. They are dangerous.

[RitsuRei]

I've gotten to where I don't like rolling with white belts too much. They are dangerous.

im at that point as well now

[CEB]

I usually let them play around and get a good position... and then proceed to submit/reverse said good position. As of late, I've liked finding good Crucifix and Triangle set-ups as well as looking for the Gogo/Lock-oplatas.

I used to love Hells Strangle out of the Crucifix until I my BJJ teacher taught everyone a great way to get out of it and to follow up with a high percentage transition to side control once they are out of the crucifix.

My first week I was rolling with one of the more advance students ( Purple belt) at open mat and I caught him in Hells Strangle and it shock him and he called out to professor "Hey he knows the Crucifix!" Professor said, "Yes my friend he has traned before."

It is an old Judo move. The Japanese call it Jigoku Jime.

[AsianInvasion]

Going for the arm triangle works really well for me, as of late, especially from Kata Gatame.

My number two and three no gi moves would be the D'arce and the no-gi version of the ezekiel choke. These aren't just my high-percentage moves, they're also my favourite.

[CEB]

Going for the arm triangle works really well for me, as of late, especially from Kata Gatame.

My number two and three no gi moves would be the D'arce and the no-gi version of the ezekiel choke. These aren't just my high-percentage moves, they're also my favourite.

Do you play Twister Side Control much?

If so......

You know that arm triangle you hit from Kesa, you can hit an opposite side arm triangle out of TSC when you clear the far arm. Sometimes you can choke him from right there but it is tough for me to get enough squeeze power so I usually have to switch sides then it is easy. Switching sides is usually no problem once you have the arm triangle locked in. You control their head their ground mobility is impaired and you can keep them flat on their back.

They could even get half guard on you if you switch sides but with the arm triangle in place and your opponent flat on his back he is pretty much done. That is one of my favorite no gi tricks. If I do not get it still is usually a good distraction that allows me to take mount.

Pins are good.

[AsianInvasion]

Do you play Twister Side Control much?

If so......

You know that arm triangle you hit from Kesa, you can hit an opposite side arm triangle sort of like out of TSC when you clear the far arm. Sometimes you can choke him from right there but it is tough for me to get enough squeeze power so I usually have to switch sides then it is easy. Switching sides is usually no problem once you have the arm triangle locked in. You control their head their ground mobility is impaired and you can keep them flat on their back.

They could even get half guard on you if you switch sides but with the arm triangle in place and your opponent flat on his back he is pretty much done. That is one of my favorite no gi tricks. If I do not get it well it is usually a good distraction that allows me to take mount.

Pins are good.

Yes, pins are indeed good. Unfortunately no, I don't play twister side control at all since I haven't yet spent much time looking into any 10thPlanet stuff outside of the youtube vids. However, I do understand the gist of it and it sounds pretty intriguing.

Yet another gold nugget of info to save into a word document.

Edit: Neck Scissors was a really effective no-gi move in the judo and catch wrestling days of old( mainly catch wrestling). I don't think it's legal in tournaments nowadays.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://gasolty.tripod.com/Repeating/Mismatch/top3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ioffer.com/i/ultra-muscular-wrestler-takes-on-skinny-kid-110499045&usg=__5yR3CfPp--yXdGRL-zEGvQoI1fM=&h=350&w=464&sz=22&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=iwjsJzGeUyUElM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=220&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dneck%2Bscissors%2Bwrestling%26um%3D1% 26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D777%26tbs% 3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1136&vpy=78&dur=3099&hovh=195&hovw=259&tx=53&ty=214&ei=E7ZlTI-sOIK1nAfmzoz_Cw&oei=E7ZlTI-sOIK1nAfmzoz_Cw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0

[ZeiShou]

I used to love Hells Strangle out of the Crucifix until I my BJJ teacher taught everyone a great way to get out of it and to follow up with a high percentage transition to side control on a percentage once out of the crucifix.

My first week I was rolling with one of the more advance students ( Purple belt) at open mat and I caught him in Hells Strangle and it shock him and he called out to professor "Hey he knows the Crucifix!" Professor said, "Yes my friend he has traned before."

It is an old Judo move. The Japanese call it Jigoku Jime.

I just looked it up... I wish I trained more Gi :( I can't think of a way to do that no-gi... at all. That's nice. I like it a lot. Looks like it sucks too.

[AsianInvasion]

I just looked it up... I wish I trained more Gi :( I can't think of a way to do that no-gi... at all. That's nice. I like it a lot. Looks like it sucks too.

Here is a picture of Hell's Strangle in case anyone is too lazy to search for it ;):

http://judoinfo.com/images/shime/jigoku_jime.gif

[zaxonortesus]

I used to use head and arm chokes from guard, but one time the guy I was rolling with didn't want to/know how to tap, and his neck started to pop all crazily. We got him some ice and he was sore for a while and he never came back. After that, my coach said I was barred from doing them anymore.

[AsianInvasion]

I used to use head and arm chokes from guard, but one time the guy I was rolling with didn't want to/know how to tap, and his neck started to pop all crazily. We got him some ice and he was sore for a while and he never came back. After that, my coach said I was barred from doing them anymore.

Barred from doing them on new guys, or barred PERIOD?

:confused:

[NebS]

My neck always cracks in peoples chokes, regardless of whether there is a choke really applied yet or they're just squeezing.

Not much I can really do about it, I am just careful to tap as soon as things go from chiropractor to neck snapper.

[zaxonortesus]

Barred from doing them on new guys, or barred PERIOD?

:confused:

New guys. And it's only half true. I work on different things against new guys anyway, like work on defenses and stuff.

[Tallsilkyslim]

I will give a Mod brownie to the first person who can find the link to the old thread about "Best moves to teach noobs" or any thread pertaining to that.

[jakem]

I will give a Mod brownie to the first person who can find the link to the old thread about "Best moves to teach noobs" or any thread pertaining to that.

http://www.brazilianjiujitsugear.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39

http://www.brazilianjiujitsugear.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2176

http://www.brazilianjiujitsugear.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2200

just a start

edit and this one http://www.brazilianjiujitsugear.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5026

and ftmfw:http://www.brazilianjiujitsugear.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4350 :D

[Turf]

I'm like Ed. I don't try to submit too many early white belts. I spend most of the time teaching. I don't get anything out of beating up new guys, unless they start acting cocky or beating up on the other new guys. I really like beating up on the guy that beats on other folks.
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[jakem]

I will give a Mod brownie to the first person who can find the link to the old thread about "Best moves to teach noobs" or any thread pertaining to that.

sure am hungry for a brownie; speaking of that, i used to be in the cub scouts,but got kicked out for eating brownies:D :p :D

[Tallsilkyslim]

Thanks for finding those broseph. One of them was even started by me lol.

Here ya go. Be careful with these man. Coming from me, you should know they are Mod Space Brownies!!!!

[Kaiser]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrcccccccccccccce eeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

[quietwalker]

I was given a rough ride my first couple of classes and it almost put me off training so I mostly work on my defense with noobs, let them get me in a bad spot then get out, and teach what basics i know. After they've been there awhile though i will practice my juji and other arm locks first and then show them what it feels like to have a choke placed on you. My favourite is the arm and shoulder choke starting from scarf hold or side control but i'm really loving the darce(sp) chokes these days.

[AJ]

I really don't mess with new guys that much. If I can tap them out too quickly then I just work on flowing through positions and tightening up my transitions.

Last night I just worked on a flow from side mount, to the truck, to the back, to mount, to side mount, rinse and repeat until they got a reversal and the fight back and hit a sub.

[Tallsilkyslim]

I really don't mess with new guys that much. If I can tap them out too quickly then I just work on flowing through positions and tightening up my transitions.

Last night I just worked on a flow from side mount, to the truck, to the back, to mount, to side mount, rinse and repeat until they got a reversal and the fight back and hit a sub.

For me, the best thing to do with noobs is work on new techniques. That way if I fail, I can recover my position without the danger of being caught. This is good drilling or me in order to pull the moves off on someone more advanced.

[zaxonortesus]

For me, the best thing to do with noobs is work on new techniques. That way if I fail, I can recover my position without the danger of being caught. This is good drilling or me in order to pull the moves off on someone more advanced.

That's exactly what I am doing now. Or getting into the horrid positions we don't ever want to find ourselves in, just to fight out, as a more experienced person would eat you alive.